Scott McTominay (Out) - Newcastle, West Ham, Everton, Southampton, Leicester interested

Can't frigging believe there are calls to play Scott McTominay as a fullback. Like Scott McTominay has no technical ability and you need to have a decent level of that to be a fullback in the modern game. Plus a full back has to be able to cross a ball which again McTominay can't do at 25 years of age. What silly suggestion next. Should we play McTominay as a winger?
 
If (and not sure we will) we sign another midfielder before the deadline then think we could see two of Garner, McTominay or van de Beek moving on and reckon the actual money for permanent moves will be more likely offered for the first two.
 
If we sign another midfielder I would let him go as Casemiro, Fred, Donny, Garner, Eriksen, Bruno and a new CM should be enough to fill the CM and AM positions. If we don't sign another CM I'm ok with McTominay staying as a backup option as long as he is only used as a late sub to see out a game or in cup games
 
Abdullah7 said:
Scott needs to leave for wasting our time and never improve in any category whatsoever. Imagine if we gave one of our brightest academy players the same room and leniency that he got we would see wonders. I've been watching him regularly since Mourinho introduced him into the squad and couldn't see anything worthy to be excited about. He's basically the John O'shea of our own era. At least O'shea knew his place in the team and was humble about it. Unlike our dear own Scott who we can surly smell the apparent arrogance that he induce every time he steps into the pitch which made him even more unbearable.
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So your biggest gripe is something that you’ve made up?
 
OpenIntrovert said:
He can track back to tackle, has good stamina, can dribble with the ball and has good pace for his height. His shooting is not that bad as well. He can cut in and play simple low passes or to shoot.

McTominay's biggest problem is that he is not very good at reading the game and his hold up play is below average. That's why he cannot play as a CM or as a DM unless he is playing against a midfield which leaves a lot of spaces. As a wingback or fullback, he is fine.
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Interesting. I assume he will also learn how to not hide from a ball in the build-up play, make well-timed, precise crosses, dribble, be very fast, tackle and keep the ball. Just small things
 
Dannn411 said:
Mctominay is not on the level of any of those players you mentioned. Those players actually offered qualities that were of benefit to the team. Mctominay offers absolutely nothing beneficial to the team except being a warm body. I can't name one thing beneficial to the team that he does at a Premier League level. The other guys were meaningful contributors to title-winning teams. If that is the only thing he offers, there are other warm bodies that can be brought through the ranks too or signed that may even offer something useful.

Also, it is only normal for fans to ask to improve on a squad no matter how good the squad is. That's how teams stay relevant and keep winning. And in our case, our squad is amongst the worst around and absolutely needs to be improved drastically if we ever want to win anything again.
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This is exactly what people used to say about those very players. Retrospect may have changed their mind, but at the time it was savage and disgusting what the masses were saying about our backup players. Honestly, I don't see McT as any different to them other than that he's a starter at present, which he isn't justified in being. He's a good value backup player.
 
Loony BoB said:
This is exactly what people used to say about those very players. Retrospect may have changed their mind, but at the time it was savage and disgusting what the masses were saying about our backup players. Honestly, I don't see McT as any different to them other than that he's a starter at present, which he isn't justified in being. He's a good value backup player.
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So what does McT bring to the team?
 
0le said:
So what does McT bring to the team?
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He's a solid backup player. He shouldn't be starting, but there are not many players who can tick every box when it comes to:
1) Isn't demanding a high wage
2) Isn't demanding a starting spot
3) Isn't causing dressing room drama
4) Stays determined for the team
5) Is as good as McTominay when it comes to quality (people saying he's not fit to play in the Premier League just because he's not fit to start for us are quite frankly ignorant).

It really comes down to who you think will fill in for him should we sell him, really. Maybe I'm wrong in that he might sulk as a bench warmer, but I don't think that seems like the type of player he is. He offers us a physical presence, aggression, and honestly I think he can do a job akin to that of Fletcher. Maybe not peak Fletcher, but certainly backup player Fletcher. I think people in our fanbase just tend to want worldies in every position, including the backup players.
 
Loony BoB said:
He's a solid backup player. He shouldn't be starting, but there are not many players who can tick every box when it comes to:
1) Isn't demanding a high wage
2) Isn't demanding a starting spot
3) Isn't causing dressing room drama
4) Stays determined for the team
5) Is as good as McTominay when it comes to quality (people saying he's not fit to play in the Premier League just because he's not fit to start for us are quite frankly ignorant).

It really comes down to who you think will fill in for him should we sell him, really. Maybe I'm wrong in that he might sulk as a bench warmer, but I don't think that seems like the type of player he is. He offers us a physical presence, aggression, and honestly I think he can do a job akin to that of Fletcher. Maybe not peak Fletcher, but certainly backup player Fletcher. I think people in our fanbase just tend to want worldies in every position, including the backup players.
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So the first thing you can say about what McT brings to United is that he does not command a high wage. It sums everything up in a nutshell.
 
0le said:
So the first thing you can say about what McT brings to United is that he does not command a high wage. It sums everything up in a nutshell.
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Well, I'm sure that there are indeed players out there that will command a high wage if they are going to be sitting on the bench despite being better quality than McT. Find me someone who is better quality than him that is happy to sit on the bench without being paid stupid money to do so. Why are we so terribly upset about having a relatively low pay player in our squad for the sake of depth?
 
Stadjer said:
Why do people keep saying this? What does he do that makes him so perfect for the squad role? He hides, missplaces passes, doesnt know what to do when he receives the ball and his second touch is atleast a yellow card. How does that make him a perfect squad player? Not any of those traits will help the team when squad rotation is needed. Look at rotation options for clubs that are the clubs Manchester United is supposed to compete against, he wont make the bench there so shouldnt at Manchester United either.

Making up numbers for a 11v11 in training can also be done by young talented players. Something McT isnt. Sell him and get someone younger and much more talented in.
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This sums it up perfectly.

McTominay ‘the squad player’ is another mythological creature. A squad player in essence is a player you could call upon when a first teamer is unavailable, so does he provide good cover for Casimero? No. Bruno? No. Eriksen? No. He can’t even do what Fred does well but he looks the part to some so he gets the benefit others do not.

The biggest crime for me aren’t actually his limitations, we know who he is but it’s the constant hiding when the team is in possession. How this guy is seen as giving his all is beyond me.
 
Georginio Wijnaldum got injured yesterday and it's out for a few months, so we could ship him on loan to Roma and up his market value.
 
With players like Scott, it’s the move after the next move that will determine their true level. I don’t believe he is good enough for the likes of West Ham or Leicester etc. if he joins one of them now at 25, I suspect he’ll drop again by 27/28 to something like his real level.
 
Thought he took responsibility tonight and showed his value to the squad.
 
The last thing I heard coming from Manchester United is that he is seen as part of the plans for this season and therefore isn't available.

While the future is difficult to predict I don't expect Scott McTominay to leave in this transfer window particularly with him playing a high percentage of minutes so far (79%), Erik Ten Hag praising him publicly last night and given Erik Ten Hag's comments on the importance of the squad depth.
 
Decent squad player to keep for the season. Hopefully his stock rises and we can sell him to make space for a better midfielder next season.
 
He's got a role to play in this squad, despite what people might say.
 
What's the point in loaning him out? I'd rather keep him as we don't have a ridiculous amount of midfield bodies, or tell these teams to pay a fee and take him.

Both of those things achieve something for us. Him having an average year at West Ham, what's the point for us? We know his PL ability, he isn't going to uproot trees or shoot his value through the roof, all we do is run down a year of his contract.
 
This season he will be what he always should have been- a decent squad option. Only way I see him going in this window is if we bring in another central midfielder which is looking increasingly unlikely.
 
If we dont sign up another CM then Mctominay cant leave, as simple as that.
 
Loony BoB said:
He's a solid backup player. He shouldn't be starting, but there are not many players who can tick every box when it comes to:
1) Isn't demanding a high wage
2) Isn't demanding a starting spot
3) Isn't causing dressing room drama
4) Stays determined for the team
5) Is as good as McTominay when it comes to quality (people saying he's not fit to play in the Premier League just because he's not fit to start for us are quite frankly ignorant).

It really comes down to who you think will fill in for him should we sell him, really. Maybe I'm wrong in that he might sulk as a bench warmer, but I don't think that seems like the type of player he is. He offers us a physical presence, aggression, and honestly I think he can do a job akin to that of Fletcher. Maybe not peak Fletcher, but certainly backup player Fletcher. I think people in our fanbase just tend to want worldies in every position, including the backup players.
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2,3, and 4 is because hes a regular starter at the moment. Lets see in jan if still the case if he hasnt been picked. Cant recalm whether scotland in wc if they are he might moan prior to that.
 
I'd keep him as a squad player unless we have a replacement ready to improve on him.

I'd give him 10/15 games a season like we have done with others in the past.

Starters Casemiro, Eriksen
Backups McTominay, Fred, Van de Beek

Next summer sell the weakest link out of the backups and sign a proper midfielder.
 
He’s fine as a squad player. He just shouldn’t be starting every game.
 
We won't be letting a first team squad midfielder go, we don't have the numbers.
 
I'd sell Donny before Mctominay. Whilst I don't believe Mctominay is good enough to be starting for us, he does at least have his uses in certain games like he showed the other night.

Donny isn't cut out for PL football. Not even his former coach is picking him.
 
If it means getting a second midfielder like Caicedo then definitely.
 
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