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Scott McTominay (Out) - Newcastle, West Ham, Everton, Southampton, Leicester interested
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I agree that if he starts moaning then he should be moved out next summer.
Scotland aren't in the WC, sadly (lived here for 20 years, NZ are my team but Scotland has been my home long enough to want them to do well). I'll have to make do with just supporting all the teams with United players!
He’s going nowhere
Keep him because he is a good squad player. He is our Nicky Butt or John O'Shea.
We should sell VDB first.
We should sell VDB first.
Perhaps sell both, but in every aspect of the game imaginable, van de Beek is a superior footballer to McTominay. No chance in a million years goes McTominay get near Ajax. He can't pass, he can't dribble, he doesn't create scoring chances, he's not a ball winner and despite his height he's not particularly effective in aerial duels.
His stats shows he wins quite a lot of Aerial duels though
Don’t think we’re gonna sell him, it would weaken the squad more and ETH wants to build the squad
Sounds like Donny tbf
Except that Donny did play for Ajax and was brilliant for them and he’s in fact a much better passer of the ball and creator of scoring chances. If play on the ball is now deemed to be irrelevant in judging footballers, McTominay may have the edge over van de Beek, although that would be a stretch as it’s well known here that McTominay hides behind opposing players and doesn’t show for the ball. But Scotty is taller than Donny.
It doesn't make sense to sell Scotty now. If he's going to be sold, it should be next summer.
Keep him around hes a fine squad player, sell donny.
This is a very fair point and Donny is probably still somehow worth slightly more.
Can't believe people suggesting keeping him as a squad player. Sell him while his stocks relatively high and multiple clubs seem interested. No guarantee that will be the same if he spends the season on the bench. Let some of the younger midfielders coming through fill his seat on the bench. He's proved time after time he's not got what it takes so why keep him just to make up the numbers.
"Fine squad player". Again that? I thought that we passed that bs.
One good display in 6 months and we are back on that
Big game player
Fecking hell, one decent performance on the back of being simply not good enough for years and he is now a "big game player" and "fine squad player". Bet those saying that are the same that complain when we can't sell our deadwood.
nah van de beek can’t run enough for the pl so anything else he can do is moot.
Van de Beek is a total nonentity. McTominay is shite but shades it because you actually notice he's been on the pitch at the end of a game.
Big game player
Fecking hell, one decent performance on the back of being simply not good enough for years and he is now a "big game player" and "fine squad player". Bet those saying that are the same that complain when we can't sell our deadwood.
Recency bias or a blatant ignoring of facts, while McTmoinay is nowhere near good enough to start regularly for us, He has had more than ONE good game in a United shirt.
Also, some of Scott's best games have come against City, Liverpool, and PSG, as "small-time" as the aforementioned teams are Scott played really well against them and was oftentimes one the best performers in those games.
every aspect imaginable?
what about physicality which is why VDB is behind him in the pecking order and couldn’t get a game for Everton
This is total bollocks, as evidenced by the three managers (including the one who made Donny look good at Ajax no less) who picked Scott over him consistently, and by Donny not being able to get a game at Everton.
VdB obviously has less uses to us than McT. We've got Bruno and Eriksen for the AM role and DvB adds nothing to us that those two can't.
McT will have to come in if Fred or Casemiro get injured whereas I don't see Donny playing at any point.
McT will have to come in if Fred or Casemiro get injured whereas I don't see Donny playing at any point.
The problem with McT comes from sentiment i think. He shouldn’t be a starter but you’ve gotten yourself into the position where he is because of poor recruitment and planning. The same happened for you with Cleverley, with us and Davies and Newcastle with people like Longstaff etc. all clubs and players that shouldn’t be starters under any circumstances but poor recruitment has led to that path and ends up with fans being heavily disgruntled and overly critical of the player because they aren’t good enough.
Good summary of events, McT is being demonised because our poor midfield options and the frustration that brings, not because he's a terrible player
Him and Fred and very good squad players, they have energy and bite, they aren’t good enough to start, people forget we finished second in the league with these two as the main pair.
That is exactly what he is though. He's good enough to be cover, but he's not top class.
If he's happy to play on the bench and just rotate every now and again, play cup matches etc - then great.
He is capable of good matches like he did against Liverpool.
Not playing dominating football we didn’t and thats the main issue. They are fine for a certain way of playing which we won’t play that much
Besides, not having enough squad players is extremely disadvantageous given the 5 subs rule this season
Nah you’re wrong. This is the frustration. He’s not a dislikeable person, he’s just rubbish.
The fact that people praise his performance on Monday says it all. He was useless except for staying in his position. He barely touched the ball, and when he did, he did nothing with it. He made no tackles of note.
No he is demonised because he is a poor midfield player
The thing that makes no sense is people want to get rid of him, when it's pretty obvious we won't replace him, and if we did it would only ever be with a squad option which we have more than enough of andnid rather the academy product take up squad options than a 30-40m midfielder we'd likely end up with.
For those cup games, I’d assume the team needs to play in the way ETH wants or the first team plays and not completely switch the approach to those games.
If he cannot play in that manner, albeit to a level of a back up player, then is he really worth persisting with?
You'd assume he'd take Casemiros position who he's obviously no where near as good as even defensively, but they can fulfil similar roles on the pitch. The issue would be Fred trying to replicate Eriksen or DvB Bruno
Which EPL teams would he actually start for? I don't think it's any exaggeration to say he'd only be a squad option for the vast majority of teams in the league, so he's definitely not good enough to be the same thing here.
Once we finally move him on he'll go the same way of Darron Gibson and Tom Cleverley, playing in the lower leagues or for a yo-yo team. People wanted to keep them and fecking Buttner as backups!
Once we finally move him on he'll go the same way of Darron Gibson and Tom Cleverley, playing in the lower leagues or for a yo-yo team. People wanted to keep them and fecking Buttner as backups!
Seriously? We have Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Fred, Donny. That is 5 midfielders for 3 positions. Then we have Savage, Iqbal and Garner. 3 talented youngsters who by all means can play minutes which McT will play.
So we have 8 midfielders. This is great chance to sell backup option and raise some money.
That's the definition of a decent squad player though. Ferguson used to toughen up the team for certain big matches when we wouldn't see the ball as much, and that's useful to have in a squad. Otherwise we'd be totally stuck into one way of playing.
The problem at the moment is he's a first-teamer, not a squad player who can come on to add energy to finish off matches etc.
I would sell him in a heartbeat, especially as he would surely fetch a decent fee considering guys like Gibbs-White. Fans complain about us holding onto players for too long and this would be the perfect opportunity to sell a player that is not good enough for a good fee.
He's a decent squad player but everyone has a price. If we get an offer north of 30m, we should sell him.
Else it's not worth it.
Else it's not worth it.
And when we pick up an injury and need someone to play when we want to dominate he will let us down. Definition of a squad player is a flexible one who is not brilliant but good at many things like an O’Shea
De jong in McShit out?