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For those who want him sold I d just ask how many of these versatile players we have sold only to later regret it? Quite a bit I'd reckon.
The new John o'shea! I do like him as a squad player.perfect squad player- not good enough to be regular starter but good enough to influence from the bench and step in for injuries or cup games
hard to dislike him
Tell me what Caciedo and Enzo brought to Chelsea that is 100m+ quality? Or why Rice is 100m+ and not McTominay. Not that I say McTominay should be worth that crazy money.Because he brings considerably less. He's scoring goals and thats great. But his general play is average. The better teams dont even like to have a number 9 striker who just scores goals and isnt that good in general play these days. Let alone someone you're picking in midfield.
That said I'm sure theres some better teams that would be happy to have on the bench and to bring him on for a tactical change when they need a goal. Because like today sometimes you need a plan B and he's good as a midfielder who gets forward and can get a goal but at the expense of your teams general play where he's quiet and not finding the touches and passes you want from your midfielder going forward.
For those who want him sold I d just ask how many of these versatile players we have sold only to later regret it? Quite a bit I'd reckon.
Sad that he’ll probably get sold for 30m or some amount of change in the summer, when what he offers is worth way more than that to us. Just a sad situation, as 30m would mean a lot to our finances right now - whereas in years gone by we’d piss that away without thinking
Tell me what Caciedo and Enzo brought to Chelsea that is 100m+ quality? Or why Rice is 100m+ and not McTominay. Not that I say McTominay should be worth that crazy money.
The better teams don't even like to have nr 9 strikers? Are we watching same sports? Not that it has anything to do with McTominay.
8 goals in Premier League tells you differently. Most of all central midfielders. But sure, that is not noticable.Because Rice is very good in general play and McTominay is barely noticable.
Again Caicedo and Enzo absolutely havent justified and dont look like hugely expensive players right now. My bet is that they will in a year and a half or two years. They are still young and it might just not work out for them at Chelsea, or playing together. They may need to move elsewhere for less money. But they have quality and potential which is why big clubs wanted them in the first place
Trouble is, I bet we get less than 40m for all 3 of them - if we can get all 3 to leave. Maguire, McTominay and Wan Bissaka will likely be the only ones able to raise some decent cashVan de Beek, Sancho, Greenwood are the priorities this summer. If will give us some FFP leeway and I doubt the board, Ten Hag nor another manager will prioritize selling McTominay.
Yes, 0.53 G/A per 90, 8 goals scored, regular off the bench contributions recently. He is really good in this new role.We're using him correctly now. As long as we keep doing that, he shouldn't be sold.
We're using him correctly now. As long as we keep doing that, he shouldn't be sold.
He's a very good versatile squad player to have, as well as being homegrown. Will be interesting this summer to see whether he pushes to move.
Trouble is, I bet we get less than 40m for all 3 of them - if we can get all 3 to leave. Maguire, McTominay and Wan Bissaka will likely be the only ones able to raise some decent cash
Contract up Summer 25 and as he is only on £60K P/W, only kids and back ups to the back ups are on less. What could he get at a Newcastle/West Ham?
8 goals in Premier League tells you differently. Most of all central midfielders. But sure, that is not noticable.
Rice is water carrier behind very good attacking players. There are lots of those in Premier League. McTominay plays in different role and gives you different things. Not every midfielder need to have lot of ball and pass it sideways. While Rice is better defending, McTominay is better attacking.
We are not talking about future. We are talking now. They have not shown anything that you can say that they should cost 3-4 times more. I have no idea how someone even thought Caicedo was that good in Brighton. He wasn't. Enzo, I can somehow understand would cost more but 100m+?
Yeah, this was the point I made with my first post - it’s a shame that McTominay will likely get sold, but at the same time it isn’t surprising. We need cash, and he’ll have suitors. The likes of greenwood and Van de Beek? Not so much.That's correct, those three will for sure get us some decent cash. My gripe is, why sell important first team players who actually contribute to the team?
Van De Beek, Sancho, Greenwood contribute nothing, absolutely nothing to the team. Two of the three players are actually detrimental to the collective team spirit as well. They are the ones who need to leave first in a quick fire sale.
If I had to make a choice, I prefer McTominay to Van de Beek + Sancho + Greenwood any day.
Van De Beek = 10m, Sancho = 30m, Greenwood = 15m. A total of 55m in the kitty and I would absolutely be delighted. And yes, I do think clubs would be lining up for these three players if we communicate these prices to the clubs.
Yeah, this was the point I made with my first post - it’s a shame that McTominay will likely get sold, but at the same time it isn’t surprising. We need cash, and he’ll have suitors. The likes of greenwood and Van de Beek? Not so much.
Scoring a goal is scoring a goal.Scoring a goal is an action in the opponents box. It is not in midfield. It is also not every game McTom plays, nor does he always finish well. There are matches where he gets several chances to shoot and does a poor job of it. Regardless of that yes he has scored plenty of goals. He's good at it. But that is 1 thing and unless you have real trouble counting thats not a lot for an "he offers more" argument.
The game against Villa should have made it pretty obvious. Kamara played 64 minutes and made 3 successful dribbles against us helping his team attack. Luiz scored 1 goal, had 1 key pass and made more passes than Kamara. 48 passes and 65 touches.
McTom averages 19.7 passes this season. 17.8 last season and 41.1 the season before that
So even several seasons ago in 21/22 when he was most definitely playing deep in a midfield role he averaged low 40s passes per game. Less than Luiz in a game where he wasnt even that good other than scoring a goal in a big match against the team they're competing for 5th place against most likely and being part of a team who are doing well creating attacking plays. Luiz averages 63.2 overall this season so other than the goal he was less influencial today than he has been in most games this season on the ball.
He doesn't and never has done a lot on average. But he's shown he can get a goal in the past, and now he's showing he can get a goal often. The other part hasnt changed for the better. His involvement in general play has gotten worse.
Some people will say its because "We play 1 midfielder and McTom is ahead like Bruno" but Bruno gets on the ball plenty more. So his low involvement is the same regardless of whether he's sitting in midfield like a couple of seasons ago or starting in midfield but then getting forward to be in and around the box for moves like this season. He just doesnt do a lot with the ball. Certainly less than his peers in the same position and at other clubs.
So no he doesn't do what these other midfielders are doing and then he has 7 league goals on top. He doesnt do good enough in these areas but he has 7 league goals. He has the goals not the rest
Scoring a goal is an action in the opponents box. It is not in midfield. It is also not every game McTom plays, nor does he always finish well. There are matches where he gets several chances to shoot and does a poor job of it. Regardless of that yes he has scored plenty of goals. He's good at it. But that is 1 thing and unless you have real trouble counting thats not a lot for an "he offers more" argument.
The game against Villa should have made it pretty obvious. Kamara played 64 minutes and made 3 successful dribbles against us helping his team attack. Luiz scored 1 goal, had 1 key pass and made more passes than Kamara. 48 passes and 65 touches.
McTom averages 19.7 passes this season. 17.8 last season and 41.1 the season before that
So even several seasons ago in 21/22 when he was most definitely playing deep in a midfield role he averaged low 40s passes per game. Less than Luiz in a game where he wasnt even that good other than scoring a goal in a big match against the team they're competing for 5th place against most likely and being part of a team who are doing well creating attacking plays. Luiz averages 63.2 overall this season so other than the goal he was less influencial today than he has been in most games this season on the ball.
He doesn't and never has done a lot on average. But he's shown he can get a goal in the past, and now he's showing he can get a goal often. The other part hasnt changed for the better. His involvement in general play has gotten worse.
Some people will say its because "We play 1 midfielder and McTom is ahead like Bruno" but Bruno gets on the ball plenty more. So his low involvement is the same regardless of whether he's sitting in midfield like a couple of seasons ago or starting in midfield but then getting forward to be in and around the box for moves like this season. He just doesnt do a lot with the ball. Certainly less than his peers in the same position and at other clubs.
So no he doesn't do what these other midfielders are doing and then he has 7 league goals on top. He doesnt do good enough in these areas but he has 7 league goals. He has the goals not the rest
McTominay's value has always been in the penalty area, whether it is heading clear corners and wide free-kicks, getting back to cut out crosses, blocking shots, scoring goals or causing a nuisance in the opposing penalty area.
In some teams those qualities might not be particularly valuable but we don't have many players that are genuinely good in the air and rather too often in recent years our side has contained far too many players that don't make much effort to help out defensively.
Counting the number of passes a player makes seems a strange way to assess their quality. McTominay isn't great on the ball therefore United players don't force passes to him; why should they ?
I don't think it is right. Why should we be giving him for pretty much nothing considering what he brings to the team and comparing to players that went for 3-4 times more? The only thing I can understand is that McTominay is 27 and those other guys are younger but looking at quality he is not worse. At least how this season is going and what they have done.
For me he is midfielder but attacking one. Give him space and freedom to run into box and he will give other team headache. Every time.
Scoring a goal is scoring a goal.
You want McTominay to have more ball so he can be considered good midfielder? Everybody have different roles in a team. If McTominay have more ball that would mean less ball for other players. That includes midfielders like Fernandes, Mainoo and Casemiro.
The game against Villa made it obvious. He came from the bench, changed the flow of the game and not only that, he scored a winning goal. So I would say that he did pretty well. It wasn't first time. I think people should give him a lot more credit because he deserves it and he should be valued more.
For those who want him sold I d just ask how many of these versatile players we have sold only to later regret it? Quite a bit I'd reckon.
Not a chance...We’ve seen he doesn’t give teams headaches as a starter even pushed further forward, that’s why he was dropped as soon as Erisken was fit. He’s our top scorer in the league and we don’t pick him to start games, that tells you a lot about his limitations.
The market for Mctominay is very small and 30m odd is a decent fee, no one is going to pay much more for him than that because he won’t appeal to teams who can spend 50-60m plus.
An impact sub is right role for him, maybe he’d wants to play more but if he went somewhere like West Ham or Newcastle he could easily end up in a similar position.
He’s an attacking 8 but people keep judging him as a deep lying playmaker or DM.
He’s not a creative player or a player that will recycle possession and dictate a game.
He’s a player who’s very good at driving the ball forward, who has high athleticism, gets stuck in and is lethal in and around the box.
Those are all very good attributes for a box to box midfielder.
He’s not a world beater but he’s definitely not as shite as people seem to think
Shite talk son go to bed your comparison is brutalScott McTominay has a goal every 172 mins in the premier league this season. Hannibal had a goal every 130 mins but just 5 games and a small sample size with just 1 goal.
However from starts its every 349.3 minutes. So he's twice as likely to get a goal coming off the bench
Rodri averages a goal every 344 minutes from starts. Douglas Luiz every 282 mins from starts. Doucoure and Eze have taken even less time to get on the scoresheet from games they've started through the middle, you could argue that McTom starts deeper though again theres a common idea posted on here that McTom isnt playing in midfield but in the hole like Bruno which would be the same.
He does however beat Soucek, Longstaff and Ward-Prowse in terms of goals per mins on the pitch from his starts data. And AMs like Maddison, Havertz and Odegaard. So its still a good goals per minute rate from his starts. But those listed are better and are the top 4 above McTom. And of course thats just goals. Everything else? Nope