His stash of photos of all his managers must be epic.
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He was definitely better yesterday than in his last start vs Brighton. But I see he is the new whipping boy and will likely get 4/10 ratings from many regardless of how he plays...
I don’t think he is the new whipping boy. He is being held to the standards of an experienced professional now.
We can’t continue watching him with developmental eyes. It’s the same reason Rashford is getting the heat too right now.
Some are even trying to keep the expectations low by comparing his stats to Hannibal.
On the tv they pointed out that when he lost the ball, he went back to try and recover.
The referee overlook him
trying to keep up with play.
Tried to find that clip, is it true, or just mischievous reporting.
Anyone see a clip to support that
Superfast referee, or …….
The referee overlook him
trying to keep up with play. Tried to find that clip, is it true, or just mischievous reporting.
Anyone see a clip to support that
Superfast referee, or …….
Like beer, McTominay is the source of - and solution to - all of our woes.
Quite incredible he’s played so many games for the first team. No wonder we struggle to beat the mighty Burnley if this is the standard of our midfield.
Indeed, I get the feeling people think he is younger than he is...
He is 27 in December.
People here keep talking garbage like McT and many other players are not “United quality”.
after these many years, still using “not united quality”, it’s laughable. Think about it. Don’t you think it ridiculous? What’s the so-called United quality? Can those people give me an explicit, clear definition?
after these many years, still using “not united quality”, it’s laughable. Think about it. Don’t you think it ridiculous? What’s the so-called United quality? Can those people give me an explicit, clear definition?
I know to listen to some you’d think he was a youth player straight out of the academy not someone with 200 appearances under his belt.
It's simple: the player should have the quality to be, at the very least, a useful squad player for a title challenging side. Someone who can do a good job for a team that belongs to the actual elite.
McTominay clearly isn't in that category.
It was a 4 or 5 out ten performance yesterday, I’m sure that’s what he’ll have been given in the media, wasn’t even as high as that in the first half. Not really a whipping boy he just isn’t very good and never will be.
Or maybe people need to accept that McT isn't the be all and end all of United's issues.
Shame we will never get another offer close to 30m again
If you're struggling with that you must be utterly tied up in knots by a lot of posts on a football site.
I don't normally get caught up in moaning at one player, but it's remarkable how poor he is at the defensive side of the game, tracking players, getting anywhere near for a tackle etc.
There's not a chance in hell he'd have stayed so long if he wasn't a physical brute height wise, giving the false impression he "toughens" us up.
Wow, if you feel "united quality" is some kind of mystery, let me clarify.
United players MUST have as bare minimum - great workrate, great ball controll, great passing ability, finishing, positioning. Basically, they should have mastered the physical and technical side of football.
After they have covered the basics, United players should posses elite qualities in their position - strikers should be excellent finishers, midfielders should be excellent passers with elite ability to protect the ball, defenders should be positionally perfect, wingers should be extremely quick with amazing crossing ability.
This is what we should aim for. Now tell me - where does McTominay excell? What quality does he posses that makes you say "wow, what a footballer?". Does he stand out in a room of 100 current premier league players?
United players MUST have as bare minimum - great workrate, great ball controll, great passing ability, finishing, positioning. Basically, they should have mastered the physical and technical side of football.
After they have covered the basics, United players should posses elite qualities in their position - strikers should be excellent finishers, midfielders should be excellent passers with elite ability to protect the ball, defenders should be positionally perfect, wingers should be extremely quick with amazing crossing ability.
This is what we should aim for. Now tell me - where does McTominay excell? What quality does he posses that makes you say "wow, what a footballer?". Does he stand out in a room of 100 current premier league players?
No one has ever said he was.
But it wasn't. It was at the very least a 6. Nothing great, but not a liability. In the Brighton game he deserved all the bad reviews he got. He was invisible and barely touched the ball. But yesterday he was a lot better. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he should be in our starting 11 week in and week out. I just don't think he should be the new whipping boy now that Maguire doesn't play
Player reviews should be based on what the player did, not by how old they are. McTominay did his job yesterday. He wasn't exceptional, but he was an important cog in our midfield that helped us win the game. Against Brighton he was awful. Yesterday, he was ok.
They may take our points but they will never take away our McTominay
I thought he was fairly poor, but did improve toward the end of the match. He is much better for Scotland.
I think you missed my point.
Fans are holding him to higher standards now as compared to years past. It should not necessarily be seen as scapegoating.
So you think the fans think he's better than he really is? And because of this he should perform to that level? He's a player who can do a job. He's not a starter and never should have been. He's a guy who can rotate in and offer things that players like Erikson and Mount can't. He is not a 7 or 8 out of 10 player. He is an average player. But it seems as though our fans are looking for the bad from him. He could make 9 great passes in a row (in theory) but if his 10th gets picked off they will see "there he goes giving it away again". He is in fact, the new whipping boy
Fans expect him to play like someone that is done it for years in United colours. Rotation players are still expected to carry out their duties properly when called up on.
It might seem irrational to you but he is now one of the longest serving players here and expectations get greater with tenure. This is in line with other senior squad status like Key players, captain and so forth.
People will pile on any player not deemed performing to their station. That’s why I used the throwaway statement of development player and leeway afforded to them. His contribution was not worse than Hannibal in my opinion but one is a newbie and the other is long serving member of the team.
The main criticism tends to be he has not developed as a player and that’s an opinion people that have watched him all through his career can feel entitled to make.
Mine is different because it’s on the extreme side but that’s not the point I was making.
He didn’t have a good game, his first half performance was really poor and he was very lucky to stay on for second half. He did improve but it was hard not to and overall no more than 5 out of ten. He really isn’t a scapegoat, he was pathetic against Brighton and Bayern and poor against Burnley. If he starts playing better and his effort levels improve he won’t get as much stick as I don’t think anyone expects much from him now.
That's close to retirement age. I dun believe it.
I have no delusions of McTominay being better than he is. My problem is when the "experts" on TheCaf and social media (let's not forget YouTube) make him a scapegoat. If he has a bad performance like he did against Brighton, then he deserves all the heat that he gets. But he wasn't bad against Burnley yet he's still ranked as one of the worst players on the field, and that's when I have a problem.
Like I said. Some people just look for the bad when their agenda is strong. Case in point ^
It’s no more than someone having a poor game and being judged accordingly. Words like scapegoat and agenda get over used when people don’t like what they are hearing.
His performance was no better or worse than it usually is.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Is he insinuating that McT is one of the leakers?
EtH will have to continue playing him to maintain his 30m valuation though. Will need to find his “Leeds” since they are not in the league anymore.
You’ll make a lot of point if he doesn’t play like one of the worst player in the team consistently. We’re just calling it as it is.
He’s not a scapegoat, he’s just out of his depth.
I’ve said it, he’s making a mockery of our academy which supposedly places emphasis of technique over physique.
The people who kept promoting him throughout the academy needs to do some explaining.
I'll explain a United quality Midfielder in two words 'Paul Scholes', that's the level I've known, Mctomainy is not it one bleeding bit.
Players like McTominay is why that phrase has lost all meaning, because the club is blind to mediocrity as long as the player comes from the academy.
Really blows my mind how McT has gotten over 200 apps but Garner was barely given any chances before being sold to Everton. Just look at Garner’s performance against Brentford.
He could play to the best of his ability and only get a 4/10, because his ability is abysmal for a club like ours.
He's a very very poor player.
His biggest attribute for us was his determination and workrate - which should be the bare minimum for us, now he isn't even doing that. He's a shocking midfielder
Out of his depth and has been for years. He's got by with some gutsy workrate in the past but he looks completely lost this season.
He's a central midfielder who:
He's a central midfielder who:
Doesn't look for the ball
Spend the majority of the game out of position
Loses possession when pressed
Unable to dictate play
He's just unreliable and its comical watching him, because you know he is going to mess up. He must be so easy to play against!They really don't though. It's a herd mentality around here.
But he did the other day and people still found a reason to moan. Thanks for proving my point
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