Correct. IMO, McFred need to be got rid of. When these 2 play, we NEVER have control of midfield. Teams just zip through our midfield like it's not even there.
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Correct. IMO, McFred need to be got rid of. When these 2 play, we NEVER have control of midfield. Teams just zip through our midfield like it's not even there.
The one big problem about the idea of McTominay in a “possession based team” is fitting McTominay in that team. I’ve honestly never seen a CM whose movement is so poor. Maybe that can be coached into him? But he’s starting from such a poor base. And he’s not that young any more. Shocked to discover recently that he’s older than AWB!
Normally a big fan of his but he was awful tonight.
The lack of defensive awareness or energy is going to be a big problem if he doesn’t improve these areas. We cannot afford for him to be such a passenger in the defensive half of the pitch.
I maintain he is an attack minded player and should be used as such, but even as a box to box type he needs to contribute more defensively.
The lack of defensive awareness or energy is going to be a big problem if he doesn’t improve these areas. We cannot afford for him to be such a passenger in the defensive half of the pitch.
I maintain he is an attack minded player and should be used as such, but even as a box to box type he needs to contribute more defensively.
His off the ball movement was fantastic tonight, if it wasn't for him we'd have lost that game.
In all seriousness, he's like the John Oshea's, Darren Fletcher's, Wes Brown's, Darren Gibson's, he's good enough to be a substitute but he's ideal for inspiring young players that there is a way to get in and around the first team from the academy etc,
Scandalous comparing him to Fletcher and Wes Brown who walk into this side and would be some of its best players. O'Shea would find s spot too. Gibson, yeah maybe..
McSauce? Try McShite.
I've stuck up for him in the past but that performance is hard to defend.
Look at our options .
Midfielders are more than just passing stats though. It's not like United are ball hogs at the moment either, especially against Chelsea.
I'll agree he's not the greatest passer. However, he did serve it on a plate for Bruno, in the 1st half, which should have at the very least been a shot on target.
I'll agree he's not the greatest passer. However, he did serve it on a plate for Bruno, in the 1st half, which should have at the very least been a shot on target.
Both of them got into the PFA Team of the year at one point and were crucial during some of our wins in the league and Europe.
Some don't realize that his level is nowhere near the top half of the table and if we ever become a great team again, he won't be a part of it.
I swear people with so little sense of football like him couldn't play even in my local side FK Sarajevo. I'm really not trying to ridicule him, he just isn't a football player. And it was visible from day one, from the way he slowly turns, to the clumsiness as he attempts to do pretty much anything. His moves are just so slow, I'm not talking about running speed only, but foot movement, turning etc. I never understood how he could get into first 11. Agility is one of the main attributes a player can have, his is low it is sad.
How is this even possible? For a central midfielder no less?
Tragic how low our standards have become at this club
Well that's not very good
Late in the second half, Bruno did a lofted pass to Ronaldo. He went up with the Chelsea defender who headed back into the centre circle. McTominay was in the centre circle but in our half. He waited until the ball came down and another Chelsea player collected the ball and then only did he TRY to close him down. If he had taken a few steps forward he would be right in the space where the ball would have dropped and would have got control but with him one never knows if he would really control the ball.
I think the only reason why Ralf plays him is due to his physical strength.
Surely someone has to tell Ralf that Jones has played in midfield too for SAF and should try him there instead of McTominay?
I think the only reason why Ralf plays him is due to his physical strength.
Surely someone has to tell Ralf that Jones has played in midfield too for SAF and should try him there instead of McTominay?
I think we can work with Fred in the team ( better players around him ) but this guy ? Not a hope , he’s back up at the very best .
I consider him not very gifted.
Convert him to CB? ETH needs ball playing CB. McT also has good attitude.
Let’s be honest, he’s fvcking shit and how this charlatan gets to start most games for our once successful club tells you all you need to know about how low our standards are nowadays.. pitiful
Well actually Jose, Ole, Carrick and Rangnick so far all thought he's good enough
A good attitude will solve nothing when you’re just not good enough to be at the club
His best position is not on a football pitch.
Even Scotland don't use him in midfield.
Whoever decided to build this team around McT and Fred midfield should receive some sort of nobel prize in the field of monumental stupidity.
Whoever decided to build this team around McT and Fred midfield should receive some sort of nobel prize in the field of monumental stupidity.
I'm still trying to figure out what the is he doing ? and what the hell is his job ? because running around isn't a job
Ha Goldbridge recons we don’t see what managers see in him and he has inside info that a top 10 European team will buy him if we were to sell him. They talk shit these YouTubers sometimes!
Ole.
I don't think that's fair. McTominay had a very basic and simple job sweeping up behind Fred. It was a role that meant he only had to be dogged and focused, but he justified his position, because although he wasn't great shakes as an individual, he was the best at that one function at the club.
As we've changed how we play, that role is no longer there, so then McTominay has to function as an individual and that has exposed him; he was a specialist with a purpose and that's gone now so we're left with McTominay, the individual, who it's questionable whether he'll make it in the PL.
The primarily role of a midfielder is to pass, and Mctominay is probably the worst midfielder passer I’ve seen at top level.
He’s not a midfielder just a big guy with a limited skill set and decent attitude. We shoehorn him into our team in midfield, Scotland shoehorn him in as a defender. I understand why Scotland do it but it’s incomprehensible we have and still do.
Rashford was. McTominay never played like a starter should.
This?
Yup.
I mean that's pub-stuff right there. If it was a one-off, it'd be fine, but he has these type of passes almost every single game.
I really think he needs some eye check.
I read somewhere that he wears eye contacts for games, It's obviously affecting him.
I don't get your point. Chelsea dominated the game. Thats what happens when we come up against half decent teams because our structure on and off the ball is awful.
Also, the disappearing bit is a little overstated for me. Its the typical thing where something gets said and everyone runs with it.
When we were going through an awful time of the season under Ole, McTominay was one of a very few players who stepped up and certainly didn't "disappear".
His off the ball movement was fantastic tonight, if it wasn't for him we'd have lost that game.
In all seriousness, he's like the John Oshea's, Darren Fletcher's, Wes Brown's, Darren Gibson's, he's good enough to be a substitute but he's ideal for inspiring young players that there is a way to get in and around the first team from the academy etc,
No way, maybe same level as Gibson, but definitely the other 3 are much better than him! Probably closer to djemba djemba. I do like his attitude though, just not good enough unfortunately, unless eth transforms him somehow.
I knew he was bad but fecking hell that’s abysmal. Thought he started the game looking bright too. Nowhere near the standard required for even a team sitting in 6th place.
Bruno would have similar stats wouldn't he?
I don’t hate Scott, he seems like a good lad. But he should be battling to get into the Burnley or Everton* side…not the mainstay in a Manchester United midfield.
*no jokes about Donny!
*no jokes about Donny!
I'm not sure what's more unbelievable the stat itself or the fact people are actually trying to deflect and defend McTominay.
I’ll say it again. We’re getting exactly what we deserve as a fanbase. Revisionism at its finest. His absent performances were one of the key factors in OgSs downfall. The narrative around this guy is something I’d expect in a Marvel movie, ‘stepped up’, behave.
The fact some continue to defend such poor figures is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in. He played 39 minutes of a half in a central midfield role before he completed a pass. That’s a dereliction of duty if ever there was one. For all the hype around his comments off the pitch he continues to let us down on it, half decent team or not, 39 minutes of football without a pass on target should be reprehensible.
I’m as shocked in what I’m reading too. The thing that gets me is that if another player had put up those numbers the same posters would berate them. There’s this weird thing about McTominay, lots of posters have at some point tied their flag to him so to step down & admit he’s crap is a step too far for some.
And all four of them are wrong. They all failed too, didn’t they?
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