SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

My girlfriend thinks she might have it.

Of course utterly no way of doing absolutely anything about it thanks to the fecking dog shit government advice.
 
Fully Fledged said:
The only reason that there are such a shortage of critical care beds is 10 years of Tory cuts to the NHS so don’t come that the Tories are better in a health crisis because it just won’t wash.
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Who said that? Labour, the Liberal Democrats or anyone else I would have preferred to win the last general election wouldn't be any better equipped to steer us through this crisis. You could have had Labour governments for the last 30 years and the number of additional beds you would have would still never be enough.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
No contracts, just freelance repair work in my own small workshop. I'm a one man band. The other side of the business is that I do build and sell computers online, I would say that would sustain me but actually, people don't tend to be buying PCs right now and I think it's because they're being careful with money given the uncertainty of the next few months.
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Good luck, it's going to be a difficult situation for a lot of people.
 
blue blue said:
Cash flow is critical in all businesses. The first industries to take a hit are anything to do with travel and tourism. My wife works for Viking Cruises and they have halted all operations around the world. Princess have done the same and I'm pretty sure all the other cruise companies are the same. They are all heading for port and there are questions about where they can all dock. Viking cruises are offering 100% refunds or 125% credit note for a cruise further down the line. The industry has been growing at a terrific rate for the last 20 years but it may never recover from this. Its carnage.

The airlines are asking for immediate financial assistance or very shortly there will be no airlines. These two industries on their own employ massive numbers of people and if their employers don't have any money they will be laying off huge numbers of people very soon.

How the Government view this is hard to fathom out because I don't see how they can just give away the huge sums of money required to keep companies afloat. (No pun intended) They can't bail everybody out. Can they?
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Well, looks like one silver lining of this will be a reduced carbon footprint.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
I don't know how much is feasible or required but we found 500 billion quid down the back of gran's sofa on 8th October 2008. Of course that then led to a decade of austerity.
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I suspect Grans sofa will need to be a lot bigger for this one.
 
TMDaines said:
If we’re not on lockdown then you shouldn’t feel guilty meeting people as this social interaction is the smallest drop in the ocean. Just adjust your behaviour accordingly. I’d probably sit far apart and outside! There’s a good chance it might become far more difficult to do in the near future. I wouldn’t begrudge anyone want to see their friends and family, unless they are at risk of complications from COVID-19 and you could be the one to give it them.

I’m lacking the appetite to want to be close to anyone apart from my wife currently though, and even with her I feel squeamish about the idea one of us could pass it onto the other unknowingly. Cuddling feels risky! I’ve got friends and colleagues who laughed when I tipped them off about Superdrug getting a fresh delivery of hand sanitiser, and seemed bewildered that you’d even want to carry some on your person. I’d be very uncomfortable being around people with that attitude right now.
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I want to get it as soon as possible so I am less likely to pass it on to my parents in future. Would gladly be around someone who has it now.
 
Another thing I want to know is the range of symptoms in cases. What percent get severe symptoms, how many less severe. What;s the mildest symptoms displayed by a carrier?
 
Fiskey said:
I want to get it as soon as possible so I am less likely to pass it on to my parents in future. Would gladly be around someone who has it now.
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Yeah, please don't try to draw that conclusion from what I posted. People looking to deliberately catch it will help spiral this thing out of control potentially.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
But if that were the case, Germany would have lower infections rates as well. But Covid-19 is spreading the way it is in other countries, just for some reason nobody is dying.
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Germany have very good healthcare as well and are best equipped. Way more beds and ICU beds per 1000 and 100k people.

Perhaps they don't count certain deaths though or like some have said for some reason it has skewed younger so that might change soon.

South Korea 12 per 1000 ICU 10.5 per 100k
Germany 8 per 1000 ICU 29 per 100k
France 6 per 1000 ICU 11 per 100k
UK 2.5 per 1000 ICU 6.6 per 100k
US 2.8 per 1000 ICU 29 per 100k
Italy 3 per 1000 ICU 12 per 100k
Sweden 2.5 per 1000 ICU 5.8 per 100k

UK Sweden Denmark are at the bottom of nearly 40 countries. Spain have more ICU beds than UK
 
Fiskey said:
I want to get it as soon as possible so I am less likely to pass it on to my parents in future. Would gladly be around someone who has it now.
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That would be extremely stupid and ill adviced.
 
Saw a woman on BBC today. over 60 and talked how she had horrible fever and the rest for 2 days but made it out ok with no need for hospital. This is important. I'm guilty myself of thinking that most oldies are going to be in trouble whereas majority will make it.
 
25 new cases in Poland today. Going to hit 100 per day soon. All but one are in good condition, the one that isn’t is stable as well. We’ve had 3 people die since the outbreak. Our government reacted quite quickly and people are playing by the rules so I am hoping is stabilizes. Had to drive to work to configure my VPN today, the city looks like a ghost town. Some are going over the top though wishing death on anyone who dares to leave home to walk the dog or have a jog in the forest.
 
NinjaFletch said:
My girlfriend thinks she might have it.

Of course utterly no way of doing absolutely anything about it thanks to the fecking dog shit government advice.
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the advice is for her to isolate herself. you don't actually need to strictly know whether you have it or not, just err on the side of caution and assume so.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
Y'know, as well as causing deadly pandemics - what bothers me about those 'wet markets' is the conditions the animals are kept in.

I just watched the above video and I'm seething. How anybody could lack the humanity to keep a bear in a cage with no food or water in a hot, humid climate. Assholes.
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Have a look at how people get veal. The whole industry around eating/using animals is shocking.

sglowrider said:
If the behaviour of our closest primate is anything to go by:

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It's the Bonobo population that we should be observing right now.
 
Revan said:
16 new cases in China (without lockdown outside of Hubei), a reduction from yesterday. 74 new cases in South Korea (without lockdown), a reduction from yesterday.

I assume that the worst has passed (at least about the first wave) in both countries. The number of cases per day in South Korea is essentially a Gaussian (graph attached).

Both countries were worse than any other country until last week, so I guess it is safe (to some degree) to assume, that it is possible to have an epilogue that does not require 70% of people to get infected or get "herd immunity". And there are templates to emulate right there on how to do this right.

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i asked this question earlier in the thread as to why China and othere don't expect the 70% infection rate predicted in Europe. some of it in part will be the size of the country, and building of hospitals quickly, and the containment policy, most of which can't be done in Europe. i just don't think you can compare Europe and China in any meaningful way (except, hopefully, the raising and decline of the peak)
 
Grinner said:
Saw a woman on BBC today. over 60 and talked how she had horrible fever and the rest for 2 days but made it out ok with no need for hospital. This is important. I'm guilty myself of thinking that most oldies are going to be in trouble whereas majority will make it.
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I think my mum had/has it. Mid 60s with diabetes, never seen her have the flu or a cold but she was pretty ill last week, coughing and with a bad chest. 111 said it was a cold but I think she would have downplayed her symptoms because she was refusing to even ring them for the first few days. She's OK now.
 
stepic said:
Yeah, he’s out there working so he literally needs people to not be quarantining completely in order to continue to make money to live and support his family. Yet then sobs because people aren’t quarantining. He doesn’t sound right in the head.
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He can take measures to protect himself like wearing gloves and a facemask, making people sit in the back, disinfecting the car after each ride, not touching his face etc.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Ffs some knob who sits next to me at work went to the stereophonics gig.
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They're rubbish. Why anybody would want to see them is beyond me,.

With the lead singer approaching 70 it is also unfair to expose him to that much risk of infection.
 
Grinner said:
Another thing I want to know is the range of symptoms in cases. What percent get severe symptoms, how many less severe. What;s the mildest symptoms displayed by a carrier?
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Nothing at all.

China and Italy both publish hospitalisation statistics. Assuming 50% of cases are unreported and asymptomatic it's roughly:

70% (maybe more) nothing at all, or maybe a feeling of a cold or flu
25% pneumonia severe enough to require monitoring and/or oxygen assistance
5% respiratory failure and intensive care
 
CDC has recommended to not organize any events over 50 people for the next 8 weeks in the US. That's a more realistic time span for us to be able to assess whether it's safe to go outside. As I said before, I won't be surprised if the world is in lockdown for the rest of year which is going to kill all small businesses and restaurants. We will have some rebuilding to do when it's done. I'm getting scared I'll lose my job now and scared for my father's company (it's not a small business but he said they have resources to carry on without income while paying all his staff and covering all fixed costs for maximum of 6 months).
 
11101 said:
Nothing at all.

China and Italy both publish hospitalisation statistics. Assuming 50% of cases are unreported and asymptomatic it's roughly:

70% (maybe more) nothing at all, or maybe a feeling of a cold or flu
25% pneumonia severe enough to require monitoring and/or oxygen assistance
5% respiratory failure and intensive care
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I don't think 30% will need monitoring/oxygen. Maybe in older people, I'd expect 90% of young people to be fine staying at home. Looking at S. Korea numbers is the best assessment I think because they are the only ones testing young people extensively (which I still think is crucial for controlling the outbreak).
 
Presumably if you have had it and recovered a test shows that you are safe? Should people be tested for this so they can then move around freely?
 
redshaw said:
Germany have very good healthcare as well and are best equipped. Way more beds and ICU beds per 1000 and 100k people.

Perhaps they don't count certain deaths though or like some have said for some reason it has skewed younger so that might change soon.

South Korea 12 per 1000 ICU 10.5 per 100k
Germany 8 per 1000 ICU 29 per 100k
France 6 per 1000 ICU 11 per 100k
UK 2.5 per 1000 ICU 6.6 per 100k
US 2.8 per 1000 ICU 29 per 100k
Italy 3 per 1000 ICU 12 per 100k
Sweden 2.5 per 1000 ICU 5.8 per 100k

UK Sweden Denmark are at the bottom of nearly 40 countries. Spain have more ICU beds than UK
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Italy works as a group of autonomous regions, because the Lombardia region actually has a high number of ICU beds pp than the rest of Italy.

Nordic countries have well organized emergency plans and they also have the economical power to upgrade their icu numbers because they have superavit every yars
 
MaxiPaxi said:
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Don't want to sound mean but he could do self quarantine if he is so worried about it. People can't stay at home forever and this virus won't go in 2 weeks because people stopped going to pubs. Looks like fabricated story. If I have to earn money and my loved one is immuno compromised then I would go out and work and avoid meeting them for few months.

People don't get it. Lockdown will just buy more time. Italy can't be in lockdown forever. Their death numbers yesterday was higher than the worst day in Wuhan even after lockdown for 2-3 weeks now. We do need to flatten the curve to buy more time for health care but expecting people to be inside for months is not practical. Only China can do that. But the moment China lifts the ban, virus will.spread again.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I think my mum had/has it. Mid 60s with diabetes, never seen her have the flu or a cold but she was pretty ill last week, coughing and with a bad chest. 111 said it was a cold but I think she would have downplayed her symptoms because she was refusing to even ring them for the first few days. She's OK now.
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Nadine Dorries said her 84 year old mum had less severe symptoms than she did. The symptoms seems random to some extent, unless there are underlying health conditions.
 
golden_blunder said:
Hope she’s ok, stay safe
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Thanks!

stepic said:
the advice is for her to isolate herself. you don't actually need to strictly know whether you have it or not, just err on the side of caution and assume so.
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Yes, I know, but her symptoms don't seem quite right to me and I would say don't actually fit the guidelines. She's definitely ill and of course you're better off erring on the side of self isolating, but it would be nice to be able to get some reassurance.
 
redshaw said:
Germany have very good healthcare as well and are best equipped. Way more beds and ICU beds per 1000 and 100k people.

Perhaps they don't count certain deaths though or like some have said for some reason it has skewed younger so that might change soon.

South Korea 12 per 1000 ICU 10.5 per 100k
Germany 8 per 1000 ICU 29 per 100k
France 6 per 1000 ICU 11 per 100k
UK 2.5 per 1000 ICU 6.6 per 100k
US 2.8 per 1000 ICU 29 per 100k
Italy 3 per 1000 ICU 12 per 100k
Sweden 2.5 per 1000 ICU 5.8 per 100k

UK Sweden Denmark are at the bottom of nearly 40 countries. Spain have more ICU beds than UK
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These figures were collected in 2010 i.e after 13 years of Labour rule. I don't know what the numbers are now, but let's not pretend things would be all rosy had Corbyn won the election. This issue is beyond politics.
 
Sarni said:
CDC has recommended to not organize any events over 50 people for the next 8 weeks in the US. That's a more realistic time span for us to be able to assess whether it's safe to go outside. As I said before, I won't be surprised if the world is in lockdown for the rest of year which is going to kill all small businesses and restaurants. We will have some rebuilding to do when it's done. I'm getting scared I'll lose my job now and scared for my father's company (it's not a small business but he said they have resources to carry on without income while paying all his staff and covering all fixed costs for maximum of 6 months).
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Well that's a truly frightening thought - companies worldwide downsizing rapidly.
 
André Dominguez said:
Italy works as a group of autonomous regions, because the Lombardia region actually has a high number of ICU beds pp than the rest of Italy.

Nordic countries have well organized emergency plans and they also have the economical power to upgrade their icu numbers because they have superavit every yars
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We were too late to react in Norway, the decision to essentially go on lockdown is a big one as the knock on effects are extremely difficult to predict (apart from being fecking expensive). Economical powers doesn't really matter when there's a shortage of equipment because everyone is after the same thing..
 
Sarni said:
I don't think 30% will need monitoring/oxygen. Maybe in older people, I'd expect 90% of young people to be fine staying at home. Looking at S. Korea numbers is the best assessment I think because they are the only ones testing young people extensively (which I still think is crucial for controlling the outbreak).
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60% in Italy are serious enough to require a stay in hospital. I'm assuming only half the cases are known about, so 60/2=30%.
 
UncleBob said:
We were too late to react in Norway, the decision to essentially go on lockdown is a big one as the knock on effects are extremely difficult to predict (apart from being fecking expensive). Economical powers doesn't really matter when there's a shortage of equipment because everyone is after the same thing..
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The bold part is very true. You would need old school engineers that could assemble artificial respiration machine from scratch, but nowadays engineers are trained to assemble stuff at higher level.
 
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