So by that logic going into my work place means I’m going to kill someone then? Or am I only going to kill someone when it’s my own free time? I’m confused? Does covid take time off 8-4 on weekdays?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Going to work is necessary.
I keep reading your comments and all I can think is you are a massive WUM, thats the only logical conclusion possible.
Going to work is necessary so that you can pay your taxes and keep the country steady. Why are you so concerned about yourself? Why don't you have some compassion to how your tax money is spent and wasted?
God. Youre so selfish!!!!
Not really. I have a laptop & a home internet connection..
I’m done with this thread anyway. This place feels like such a bubble at times. Basically everyone just needs to stay at home at all times until the government allows them to go out, except to work of course, that’s fine. Gotcha.
You’re the exact reason a common sense approach doesn’t work as you don’t seem to have any.
I mean, this reads ironically but I would agree that taxes are needed to keep a country steady.
Can't run a country on 0% taxes. Can't run a country on 100% taxess
Everything else for negotiation and optiimsation
Wow.
I worry a bit about these kinds of comments from Blair. Speed first, health effects second is not a reassuring message for many people. It may be the most pragmatic choice but it sends a signal that will alienate people. A lot of his comments suggested he had inside knowledge but then he said this:
That would be great if it was a sterilising vaccine but it doesn’t have great sterilising effects, as far as I know. And presumably changing the dosing schedule would reduce those effects too. And given how little experimentation was done on the scheduling, whatever data we have that suggests we could do things differently will not be particularly robust. It isn’t necessarily wrong but we can’t know enough to know it’s right.
If AstraZeneca is pushed through under political pressure with insufficient evidence justifying it and a radical strategy underpinning its distribution I might reject this vaccine. As Fauci said a month ago, if you have a 90% efficacy one what do you do with the 70%? If you add on top of that a rushed approval due to an unexpected surge and poor vaccine procurement planning then there are enough legitimate barriers to accepting it, IMO. So let’s hope the data looks a lot better and they have explanations for the original outcomes.
And if people refuse to disperse? Open fire?
Calm down Winston
Because we actually need them more than they need us. Despite what they have shouted for five years.
Peston is that kind of daft cnut that doesn’t read to the end of everything, so thinks you need to point it out for important things.
I think it's fair to expect another full national lockdown. I just don't understand why it can't be imposed now rather than wait 2 weeks for it to get worse.
Robert Jenrick made it sound as if there won't be a lockdown at boxing day. Judging by his bbc comments that is
He said there are no immediate plans to widen curbs, but that covid cases are rising.
He said there are no immediate plans to widen curbs, but that covid cases are rising.
That’s how it sounds to meCalm down Winston
I know everyone in this thread thinks I’m some sort of tinfoil hat wearing “scamdemic” type, but I’m actually not. I know it’s very real & ive followed the rules. I just don’t see how we are doing anything other than going around in circles when I’ve been in my office & I see how there’s next to no social distancing, my friends have said similar, my girlfriend works in Morrison’s, she’s said similar, I walk past metrolinks every day & they are hammered. We had media encouraged mass gatherings for protests over the summer, that was fine too. It just seems odd to me that all of that is completely fine but how dare you go to see your friends for a drink.
That’s how it sounds to me
I know everyone in this thread thinks I’m some sort of tinfoil hat wearing “scamdemic” type, but I’m actually not. I know it’s very real & ive followed the rules. I just don’t see how we are doing anything other than going around in circles when I’ve been in my office & I see how there’s next to no social distancing, my friends have said similar, my girlfriend works in Morrison’s, she’s said similar, I walk past metrolinks every day & they are hammered. We had media encouraged mass gatherings for protests over the summer, that was fine too. It just seems odd to me that all of that is completely fine but how dare you go to see your friends for a drink.
The point is that without your job and other jobs the economy would crash and we’d be in a complete wasteland. Same with transport. Unfortunately we need that.
However, if everyone is cavalier with other rules like household mixing, the numbers will spread even more.
Netherlands have done the sensible thing and hopefully many other countries follow suite
Travel is now allowed to them as long as you provide a negative PCR test and quarantine.
This should be the rules globally for general travel, it's utterly baffling it isn't
Travel is now allowed to them as long as you provide a negative PCR test and quarantine.
This should be the rules globally for general travel, it's utterly baffling it isn't
Cos Boris doesn't like looking bad (ignoring the fact he already does and is a complete moron)
Depends on a) how essential your work is and to a degree, b) can you do it from home?
Which is rather besides the point as there is no need at all for you to go for beers at your mate's house for another few months.
Where you work should be following the rules. It should not be like it was this time last year. I work for a news organisation that is on 24/7 - if we can within a day start following rules then almost every industry can
When you go mixing at people's homes, you aren't doing staggered start times, wearing masks or social distancing. At work you should be
This is also not one of those cases where it's all or nothing. Just because I have to go to the shop to buy things, doesn't mean I can go recklessly, not follow the rules and I may as well start going into everybody's homes. Some things are unavoidable and where we can minimise the risk of anything, we should
I can work from home twice a week
Lets say I have covid & I’m asymptomatic, wouldn’t it be more dangerous for me to go into my office with 100+ people, some of them old, then go to my friends house with 3-4 people, all of them young?
I know, economy & that, but there’s clearly a double standard.
This lockdown is going to have dire effects on people’s mental health, especially if they live alone. Most people see their friends at the weekends to destress & forget about work, taking that away from people for a considerable amount of time is going to have consequences.
Your company should be trying to follow the guidelines - so they should have the office set out out in a certain way to avoid mixing, people crossing each other etc. If it isn't then it is of course more dangerous.
If they are, then I would argue that potentially meeting friends is just as dangerous as you will not be following the guidelines when there (social distancing, masks etc.)
There was no question and this lockdown is hard on everyone.
If we have to compare mental health challenges, I reckon being elderly, isolated and under a constant threat of imminent death from a virus that kills one in ten people your age shits all over being denied a night out in the pub for a few months.
So it’s hard to feel any sympathy for people in the latter category willing to make life more difficult for people in the former category because they’re bored of the pandemic.
The question of mental health is tricky because it is so individual. You can be a person without mental health issues and suffer being alone during a lockdown or you can be a person that has mental health issues but can cope being alone during a lockdown or the various other scenarios that can play out in each case. That is why there are rules in place such as meeting outdoors for a walk with others as long as it’s socially distanced to try and help with that, or there are things such as video calling etc. Of course there should be a contingency plan in place for mental health such as check ups by professionals or a phone line for people to call into if they’re struggling etc. As someone with mental health problems I’m not oblivious to how to it feels to be alone or depressed during isolation but suffering with mental health does not mean I’m devoid of logic or common sense.
I don't think a hard lockdown will come into force again anywhere near boxing day.
The government usually give about a weeks notice when rules come into effect, as we've seen with previous lockdowns and tier introductions etc. so I think it'll be closer to New Year.
The government usually give about a weeks notice when rules come into effect, as we've seen with previous lockdowns and tier introductions etc. so I think it'll be closer to New Year.
Saturday being the exception. I don't think we'll see much notice this time around.
Which is always a mistake. It makes people be silly just before. Most other countries just announce it for the following day and give people time to get home, that's it
I assume so!
Just genetically engineering a form of the virus that is better at transmission but had no ill effect!
It would probably be the way to go too, if only we had the technology to do so (without any possibility of it going wrong).
It would probably be the way to go too, if only we had the technology to do so (without any possibility of it going wrong).
On the flip side I’m on the BoM at my sons primary school and we can see that many kids also thrived from a period of home tutoring, increased 1 on 1 time with their parents. From a personal perspective my youngest son who has had severe speech and language issues, he missed the last few months of his pre-school then has the time at home before going into junior infants at primary school. We worked with him a lot during the time off and he has come on hugely. We were so scared for him going to primary as we were told his development was a year behind but he’s thriving now. Time off suited him. We also used the time to develop management techniques for his ADHD. He knows now how to self regulate.
So, my point is that I don’t doubt there is a portion of kids who struggled but there will also be a portion of kids who didn’t
what I’ve been calling for all the way through is parental choice whether to send them in or not
Interesting looking at the amount of people under 16 in U.K, 12m of them according to figures for 2019.
That's not far off a fifth of the whole population and as it stands none of them are getting the vaccine although I highly suspect that will change if they really are spreading the new strain so easily.
So really U.K got to vaccinate 30m or so as I assume it's still 70-80% for things to significantly calm down? When you add in the amount who've already had covid in some form so far it still feels to me like early May should be the end game if they can get roll out to 1.5m a week which was the target I think although that will probably be another one missed.
That's not far off a fifth of the whole population and as it stands none of them are getting the vaccine although I highly suspect that will change if they really are spreading the new strain so easily.
So really U.K got to vaccinate 30m or so as I assume it's still 70-80% for things to significantly calm down? When you add in the amount who've already had covid in some form so far it still feels to me like early May should be the end game if they can get roll out to 1.5m a week which was the target I think although that will probably be another one missed.
My cousin has it and is quite unwell with it. She's 22.
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Yeah I think it's completely stupid and short sighted, just saying that it's been a trend with this government to give people the excuse for last blowouts before locking down. The way London was announced to Tier 4 was the way to do it properly.