SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

There are some things the Government has got wrong, but this constant carping on about testing/tracing, when people are seeking testing without having any symptoms and/or not giving correct trace information and/or or not isolating themselves properly, is all OTT, especially when we all know what to do.

If I were PM I would be tempted to say to everybody "we've told you the risks, we've told you how to keep safe, now crack on" or "England expects this day every man/woman to do their duty".
You’re these useless cnuts in Governments dream.
 
Well if those who didn't need to seek testing, stayed away, then those who do actually have symptoms or are in specialist occupations would stand a better chance of getting their test.
As I said the Government have got things wrong, but it seems to me we are not helping ourselves as much as we could.
Sorry mate, I misunderstood you , I agree . It is going to get worse very quickly though if cases are rising and there are no tests available.
 
We have got no chance, a family of 6 geordies have just arrived to stay in the holiday home next to my house, no doubt off to the beach this afternoon then a meal in one of the local pubs. There are no tests available round here so what is the likely hood of them staying in and isolating if any of them felt a bit ill?
I'd be staying well clear.
 
After seeing rising numbers in Denmark the past few weeks some restrictions will be reintroduced from tomorrow.
  • All bars and restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Everyone not sitting down will have to wear a mask.
  • Everyone who can are urged to work from home for the next 14 days (so we'll get an update by the 4th of October).
  • People should try to avoid public transport during rush hour if possible.
  • Gatherings are limited to 50 people, unless it's an event where the majority are sitting down most of the time, in which case it's 500 people.
 
So the second wave is gathering up a head of steam in pretty much every country. Looks like we could end up following the Spanish flu graph after all. Which was always very likely. In a way it was weird the way we expected such a similar scenario to pan out much differently. When a novel virus is released into a population with no prior exposure there was only ever going to be one outcome. Medicine has come a long way but we’re almost as shite at treating respiratory viruses now as were in 1918.
 
After seeing rising numbers in Denmark the past few weeks some restrictions will be reintroduced from tomorrow.
  • All bars and restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Everyone not sitting down will have to wear a mask.
  • Everyone who can are urged to work from home for the next 14 days (so we'll get an update by the 4th of October).
  • People should try to avoid public transport during rush hour if possible.
  • Gatherings are limited to 50 people, unless it's an event where the majority are sitting down most of the time, in which case it's 500 people.

How does that work? Staggered working hours? it’s a rush hour for a reason.
 
I'd be staying well clear.
I will. I usually quite enjoy seeing people from all over as it is quiet here and it is good to have a few new faces around but in the current climate it is feckin horrible as the movement of people is what is carrying this and making it worse.
 
So the second wave is gathering up a head of steam in pretty much every country. Looks like we could end up following the Spanish flu graph after all. Which was always very likely. In a way it was weird the way we expected such a similar scenario to pan out much differently. When a novel virus is released into a population with no prior exposure there was only ever going to be one outcome. Medicine has come a long way but we’re almost as shite at treating respiratory viruses now as were in 1918.
If the government were to take preventative measures now where by we introduced strict measures. I’e similar lockdown down to what it was in spring. Closing of all non essential shops. Bars, cinemas, nightclubs. Back to controlling social distancing. If island of Ireland did that then I think we’d be able to flatten the curve. By the way, managed to get myself to a testing facility. Fingers crossed it’s nothing, but a part of me just wants to get it over and done with if that makes sense.
 
So the second wave is gathering up a head of steam in pretty much every country. Looks like we could end up following the Spanish flu graph after all. Which was always very likely. In a way it was weird the way we expected such a similar scenario to pan out much differently. When a novel virus is released into a population with no prior exposure there was only ever going to be one outcome. Medicine has come a long way but we’re almost as shite at treating respiratory viruses now as were in 1918.

I read posts like this and get an overwhelming sense of utter dread that we are well and truly fecked. I naively hoped that there would be light at the end of the tunnel after 6 months, but fear we haven't seen anything yet.
 
How does that work? Staggered working hours? it’s a rush hour for a reason.
Yeah it's a strange one, but I'm guessing it means people who are just out running errands or whatever should try and plan around that.
 
Great news on both counts
Thanks. Even if I do have it, I just hope it’s like most cases. A moderate inconvenience for a few days. At least after that you can sort of have a peace of mind. Of course it’s better not to have it at all but I’d rather now then in winter.
 
If the government were to take preventative measures now where by we introduced strict measures. I’e similar lockdown down to what it was in spring. Closing of all non essential shops. Bars, cinemas, nightclubs. Back to controlling social distancing. If island of Ireland did that then I think we’d be able to flatten the curve. By the way, managed to get myself to a testing facility. Fingers crossed it’s nothing, but a part of me just wants to get it over and done with if that makes sense.

Good man yourself. Waiting for the result is a weird feeling. And when my test came back negative I was already feeling a lot better, so was kind of gutted!
 
After seeing rising numbers in Denmark the past few weeks some restrictions will be reintroduced from tomorrow.
  • All bars and restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Everyone not sitting down will have to wear a mask.
  • Everyone who can are urged to work from home for the next 14 days (so we'll get an update by the 4th of October).
  • People should try to avoid public transport during rush hour if possible.
  • Gatherings are limited to 50 people, unless it's an event where the majority are sitting down most of the time, in which case it's 500 people.
Not that it is very important, but out of curiosity; what are your rules for football games now? You had full stadiums for a while, right? Now max 500, or 500 for every stand or something else?
 
Yeah it's a strange one, but I'm guessing it means people who are just out running errands or whatever should try and plan around that.
I mean, just try to avoid public places all together surely? I try to limit myself to my local grocery store and that’s it. Genuinely think we would be able to cope better if we had more stringent rules. No public gatherings, restaurants, bars, clubs all closed. I’m no economist but surely, having partial restart to economy that entail working either from home or where you can keep social distance like building sites, Window cleaning, gardening, etc is better then opening everything for a couple of months only for everything to bloody close again. Of course I’m talking about UK where I think our government has made a right mess of it.
 
Good man yourself. Waiting for the result is a weird feeling. And when my test came back negative I was already feeling a lot better, so was kind of gutted!
I understand. Is post COVID syndrome something people whom had the virus need to worry about or is it a certain age group or people with pre existing conditions. Sorry haven’t been following this thread as it started giving me anxiety.
 
Pretty sure my kids have it. Some pretty severe symptoms and I've been in two minds to dial 999.

Can't get a test at all. Baffles me how they reduced testing sites knowing a second wave was going to hit
Hope you and your family are safe and on the mend. I agree about the testing just had to experience it for myself. I don’t even think we’re anywhere near a second wave yet but things are certainly escalating by the data that we’re seeing.
 
Not that it is very important, but out of curiosity; what are your rules for football games now? You had full stadiums for a while, right? Now max 500, or 500 for every stand or something else?
I don't think we've had full stadiums, but we've definitely had more than 3000 people in a stadium. At a glance it seems like that'll be cut to just 500 now in total, although I think something like 500 per stand should be possible in the bigger stadiums (by Danish standards) seeing as it's basically separate gatherings so to speak.
I mean, just try to avoid public places all together surely? I try to limit myself to my local grocery store and that’s it. Genuinely think we would be able to cope better if we had more stringent rules. No public gatherings, restaurants, bars, clubs all closed. I’m no economist but surely, having partial restart to economy that entail working either from home or where you can keep social distance like building sites, Window cleaning, gardening, etc is better then opening everything for a couple of months only for everything to bloody close again. Of course I’m talking about UK where I think our government has made a right mess of it.
I agree, but that's why they're trying to keep things open but putting in place stricter regulations. We were doing pretty well for a decent amount of time without numbers rising, but it seems like people have started being too lax in terms of keeping their distance, washing hands etc. after the summer holidays ended. I think the new restrictions are based on what they think have been drivers of new infections.
I think it's possible to keep most things open with certain regulations put in place without numbers rising uncontrollably. However (and this is the big one), it requires people to actually take things seriously and not just start acting the prick. So people should be able to work, go to school and go out for dinner etc. in a sensible way if they instead skip the parties and what not that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.

We also have an app that's supposed to track whether you've been in contact with someone (and have had it for some time), yet I don't think very many people have actually installed it. There's been very little in terms of people talking about it and promoting it etc.
 
I don't think we've had full stadiums, but we've definitely had more than 3000 people in a stadium. At a glance it seems like that'll be cut to just 500 now in total, although I think something like 500 per stand should be possible in the bigger stadiums (by Danish standards) seeing as it's basically separate gatherings so to speak.

I agree, but that's why they're trying to keep things open but putting in place stricter regulations. We were doing pretty well for a decent amount of time without numbers rising, but it seems like people have started being too lax in terms of keeping their distance, washing hands etc. after the summer holidays ended. I think the new restrictions are based on what they think have been drivers of new infections.
I think it's possible to keep most things open with certain regulations put in place without numbers rising uncontrollably. However (and this is the big one), it requires people to actually take things seriously and not just start acting the prick. So people should be able to work, go to school and go out for dinner etc. in a sensible way if they instead skip the parties and what not that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.

We also have an app that's supposed to track whether you've been in contact with someone (and have had it for some time), yet I don't think very many people have actually installed it. There's been very little in terms of people talking about it and promoting it etc.
Thanks! I thought the title decider last season was totally full stadium, maybe reduced after that.

Surprised to hear about the app. We launched one couple of weeks ago and had over 2 million downloads in a week.
 
Thanks! I thought the title decider last season was totally full stadium, maybe reduced after that.

Surprised to hear about the app. We launched one couple of weeks ago and had over 2 million downloads in a week.
I just checked three Google store and it's had more than 100k downloads. So maybe double that if you add the iPhones out there.
I'm not surprised given how little I've heard about it.
 
I don't think we've had full stadiums, but we've definitely had more than 3000 people in a stadium. At a glance it seems like that'll be cut to just 500 now in total, although I think something like 500 per stand should be possible in the bigger stadiums (by Danish standards) seeing as it's basically separate gatherings so to speak.

I agree, but that's why they're trying to keep things open but putting in place stricter regulations. We were doing pretty well for a decent amount of time without numbers rising, but it seems like people have started being too lax in terms of keeping their distance, washing hands etc. after the summer holidays ended. I think the new restrictions are based on what they think have been drivers of new infections.
I think it's possible to keep most things open with certain regulations put in place without numbers rising uncontrollably. However (and this is the big one), it requires people to actually take things seriously and not just start acting the prick. So people should be able to work, go to school and go out for dinner etc. in a sensible way if they instead skip the parties and what not that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things.

We also have an app that's supposed to track whether you've been in contact with someone (and have had it for some time), yet I don't think very many people have actually installed it. There's been very little in terms of people talking about it and promoting it etc.

There were plenty of people in this thread who were predicting this. People will follow rules but only up to a point. After that it’s fatigue, laziness or just plain irresponsibility. In my opinion, even with stricter measures we’d see this thing happen but it wouldn’t be to extent it is now. At least for UK, the guidelines are all over the place and aren’t taken seriously by an overwhelming majority of people I know whom are otherwise sensible people. It leads me to believe, if you communicate something poorly then you shouldn’t expect a positive outcome from people. Anyway, every time I start this topic I have anxiety so I’m not getting sucked in again. I’ll update you all about my results tomorrow. Thanks for the kind messages.
 
I just checked three Google store and it's had more than 100k downloads. So maybe double that if you add the iPhones out there.
I'm not surprised given how little I've heard about it.
Odd. We have over 1m in Google store. I would think it is quite useful, if at least 20% download it (40% now for Finland). Your numbers are not enough to make a difference unfortunately. It has been marketed rather well here.
 
With all the finger pointing going on about who’s to blame, maybe we just need to accept that this really is a seasonal virus? All the usual coughs and cold viruses die down in summer and surge in winter so it shouldn’t be a massive surprise if this does the same.

Perhaps the cooler weather means we’re pissing in the wind to try and crush this curve for the next 6 months no matter what we do?
 
Our area Bridgend is now on the watchlist with cases ramping up a bit.

I've been to the pub quite a bit outdoors on my own table but now it's time to stay away. Oh well I managed for months so a couple of weeks or so isn't a big deal to me.
 
With all the finger pointing going on about who’s to blame, maybe we just need to accept that this really is a seasonal virus? All the usual coughs and cold viruses die down in summer and surge in winter so it shouldn’t be a massive surprise if this does the same.

Perhaps the cooler weather means we’re pissing in the wind to try and crush this curve for the next 6 months no matter what we do?
The worst hit place in Europe now is Madrid and it hasn't exactly been cold there for the past 2 weeks.

It may be seasonal or not. But nothing that has been going on in Europe for the past month is evidence of that.
 
The South Wales lockdown cases have been pretty much pinpointed to rugby clubs, pubs, snooker halls and a coach trip to the races.

All avoidable.
 
Odd. We have over 1m in Google store. I would think it is quite useful, if at least 20% download it (40% now for Finland). Your numbers are not enough to make a difference unfortunately. It has been marketed rather well here.
Yeah that's the thing. It's basically pointless at this point.
I just saw it mentioned that places might soon have installation of the app as a requirement to enter.
 
The worst hit place in Europe now is Madrid and it hasn't exactly been cold there for the past 2 weeks.

It may be seasonal or not. But nothing that has been going on in Europe for the past month is evidence of that.

To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
 
To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
Maybe, sounds like pure speculation to me. Obviously I can't offer proof to the contrary either.
 
UK 4322 cases and 27 deaths.
yep big jump along with the announcement of the increase in R rate. I expect is to be in the 7-10k by next week and for more strict measures to be back in place, albeit not a full lockdown
 
To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
Didn’t India have disproportionate amount of deaths during Spanish flu? It’s always bloody boiling in India. Although I’m out of my depth trying to work this out.