SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

It doesn't matter what Keir said. It's the fact they keep overruling the scientific advice that needs to be interrogated. What actually are they playing at? Is their a plan? If there isn't then what are they basing any of these decisions on if it isn't the science? I assume the answer will be something about the economy but that's a load of bollocks too. Only businesses making money out of this are ones that donate to their party and it's about time that this was brought to the forefront.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
It doesn't matter what Keir said. It's the fact they keep overruling the scientific advice that needs to be interrogated. What actually are they playing at? Is their a plan? If there isn't then what are they basing any of these decisions on if it isn't the science? I assume the answer will be something about the economy but that's a load of bollocks too. Only businesses making money out of this are ones that donate to their party and it's about time that this was brought to the forefront.
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Fingers crossed for a waterboarding then...
 
golden_blunder said:
Fair enough. Where you going?
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To the Caribbean. If test positive it will end up being 2 weeks of playing Fifa :lol: The whole changing of protocols, having to get a test prior to going has put me off booking any sort of holiday abroad for at least a while.
 
saivet said:
To the Caribbean. If test positive it will end up being 2 weeks of playing Fifa :lol: The whole changing of protocols, having to get a test prior to going has put me off booking any sort of holiday abroad for at least a while.
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I couldn’t imagine the hassle off it & also I was reading about my favourite place in the canaries basically being ghost towns at the moment, everything closed. I mean we could go on holiday and do our own cooking but really who wants that:lol:
 
Would a months worth of snow be good or bad news at this point. Would stop meaningless travel and keep people inside at least as we see when U.K goes into chaos for a day or two every other year when there's a decent sprinkling across the country.

Think the trouble here is last lockdown co-incided with a pretty nice spring and summer so people could tolerate it more when queueing outside Supermarkets and Banks.

Temperatures dropping next week so not sure how long the tolerance will last this time. They surely can't put limits on exercise this time?
 
saivet said:
To the Caribbean. If test positive it will end up being 2 weeks of playing Fifa :lol: The whole changing of protocols, having to get a test prior to going has put me off booking any sort of holiday abroad for at least a while.
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Good luck. Me and the missus got negative results today, so cleared ti fly to Cyprus tomorrow. BA has moved the flight from 11:30am to 6:25am though:mad:
 
FootballHQ said:
Would a months worth of snow be good or bad news at this point. Would stop meaningless travel and keep people inside at least as we see when U.K goes into chaos for a day or two every other year when there's a decent sprinkling across the country.

Think the trouble here is last lockdown co-incided with a pretty nice spring and summer so people could tolerate it more when queueing outside Supermarkets and Banks.

Temperatures dropping next week so not sure how long the tolerance will last this time. They surely can't put limits on exercise this time?
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Probably not because other types of coronavirus prefer cold weather so this will likely be the same.
 
Jippy said:
Good luck. Me and the missus got negative results today, so cleared ti fly to Cyprus tomorrow. BA has moved the flight from 11:30am to 6:25am though:mad:
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That works in your favour though because the Covids won't be fully awake at that time.

Ignore me, I'm just jealous that some people are able to get away from the mundanity of life.
 
if Johnson is going to make annoncement next week some time, what's stopping him announcing a lockdown during the US Election result, because all media will be focused in the USA, less focus...

bit of a stretch
 
I blame the packed flat full of absolute c*nts in the building opposite mine singing at the tops of their voices at 1am. Also, Boris Johnson and the entire Conversative government. Another bunch of absolute c*nts.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Seems to have done the trick in Ireland.

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Schools have been closed in that time period though. Two weeks up here but not sure about down south. I know you don’t want it to be true but you’re a smart man, surely you can see the correlation?
 
Kinda depressing to ask but how many 'waves' of this disease do we anticipate? I think I read somewhere that the Spanish Flu had three waves before it burnt out.

Lockdown will obviously reduce the strain on the NHS if the numbers are indeed getting closer and closer to breaking point but it's obviously going to affect people's mental health and the economy which sucks. Not sure what other option there is though.
 
Ffs. So back into a national lockdown we go then.

I wonder whether a pack of 9 toilet rolls will be going for £10k on eBay again?
 
Irwin99 said:
Kinda depressing to ask but how many 'waves' of this disease do we anticipate? I think I read somewhere that the Spanish Flu had three waves before it burnt out.
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Approx 1/3 of the world got this flu and 50 million people died. With covid I suspect we we could get far more than 3 waves before we get to the Herd Immunity Target, or close enough to stop/hugely reduce future waves partly because it is far more infectious so will have a higher HIT.
 
Over 100k cases in the U.S today which is a new record . The next few months are going to be very very bad . I hope people & politicians can help in some damage limitation because that is all that can be done
 
acnumber9 said:
Fair points but why did we waste money on getting reports to just ignore it all? Under funding of essential services have made the matter worse and this Government has consistently taken steps to cut funding. We shouldn’t be making excuses for them. Alas, I think we’re at the point of going round in circles.
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Agreed on all counts, with the distinction that pointing out the limit of their powers and responsibilities in specific areas is not making excuses, but rather allows us to focus in on what they are incontrovertibly responsible for, which in turn should have more of an impact.

I imagine even the majority of Tory voters agree that they are responsible for the deep cuts in essential services which has had all kinds of ripple effects throughout the pandemic, most notably the frequency with which the healthcare system is pushed to the limit, which naturally dictates the frequency of which we're forced into some stage of quarantine as well as the volume of poor health outcomes. It's hugely influential and plain to see. They might blame Labour for putting them in the position where they had to make those cuts and lead you up the garden path, but I imagine that would be a minority.

So it's better to focus our attention on that than on the limitations of the contact tracing system, as the essential limitations being discussed would have applied irrespective of who was in charge, as demonstrated by the fact it has happened all over the world regardless of who was in charge. Alternatively we're better at focusing on the corruption that existed in the test & trace progam, which again I think the vast majority of the population regardless of political affiliation would consider disgusting, especially while people are struggling to put food on the table.

There is very little about this government I think is worth defending, with the notable exception of the furlough scheme. Assessing the context in which decisions were made and the role that context had on the outcomes we're interested in is not making excuses for them, regardless of whether that assessment ends up being helpful or hurtful to the attempts to criticise the government on that issue. It's allowing us to determine what we should and should not spend our time talking about, when there's no shortage of things we could otherwise be focusing on.
 
Jippy said:
Good luck. Me and the missus got negative results today, so cleared ti fly to Cyprus tomorrow. BA has moved the flight from 11:30am to 6:25am though:mad:
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Cheers mate, hope you woke up on time!
 
All of governments efforts here are so disjointed that it does make you think people aren’t taking it seriously enough because of it. They made a decision yesterday to close all cemeteries for the weekend, it’s a holiday weekend so virtually everyone across country travels to visit graves on November 1. While this is a correct decision, it should have been done a week or two ago, not now - some have already traveled, businesses have stocked up on flowers and candles they will not be able to do anything with now (candles you can still use but flowers you’ve got to bin) and the outcome is yet more protests on the streets over weekend. Most of the country is protesting now - women against new abortion regulations, conspiracy freaks against plandemic. Covid and it’s 300 deaths per day appear to be an afterthought in all of it.
 
Does this mean the Premier League and Champions League will be put on hold for a month?
 
On a related note, did anyone watch the trailer to Songbird? Bit wild.
 
acnumber9 said:
Schools have been closed in that time period though. Two weeks up here but not sure about down south. I know you don’t want it to be true but you’re a smart man, surely you can see the correlation?
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Only one week closed down south (week just finished) and cases started coming down the beginning of the week before school holidays started. Plus there’s usually a 10-14 day lag for new measures to effect case numbers, due to long incubation period, so won’t be seeing effects of school holidays until kids back at school again from Monday, probably towards the end of the week.

It actually looks as though we’ve stopped the recent surge by the phase 3 measures implemented about three weeks ago (no more indoor dining/drinking, only one other household allowed to visit). Benefits of full lockdown (phase 5) still to come, as we’re only just 10 days into it (started Oct 21st) Halloween house parties (including kids parties!) could feck us up again though.

What are the dates of UK half term school holidays? Be interesting to see if they have much effect.
 
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It’s mental that they haven’t introduced it already. If we learnt anything from the first lock down, it’s that it came a week or two late. I understand It’s a big call for the economy, but it wasn’t hard to look at the data and see where this was heading.
 
acnumber9 said:
Schools have been closed in that time period though. Two weeks up here but not sure about down south. I know you don’t want it to be true but you’re a smart man, surely you can see the correlation?
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We’ve only had a week closed down and it’ll be a couple of weeks before we see the benefit

still, in general I don’t care how they spin it, I think it’s obvious that there is correlation. You can’t tell me that 14 year olds aren’t spreading it around their classrooms
 
Would've been much better to have the circuit breaker a few weeks ago and tie it into half term. Could've had a reasonable Christmas and avoided the insane increase of cases you get at this point. Probably take a long time to see the effects and counter the spread of the last week or two. Holding out to help businesses will probably crush many more if we have to cancel Nov and Dec. Should've got it done before that and damage would be less. Not to mention the rush for supplies for during 20 days in December if they do it for a month.

All this clapping for the NHS seems very facile.
 
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These lockdown would be easier to take if one had confidence the government knew what they were doing.
 
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