Yeah I know many won't agree but reckon he has the potential to be a superstar given the right platform and better players around him than he currently has at Villa
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Yeah I know many won't agree but reckon he has the potential to be a superstar given the right platform and better players around him than he currently has at Villa
Who, do you think, will spend 67 million on Zaha?
Buy Sandro and Costa from Juventus for £45m the pair. Left-footed winger and full-back. Both 29 but top Brazillians. Move Williams to RB. Add £11m for Stevanović. Total in = £56m
Sell Smalling(£22m), Dalot (£10m), Lingard(£16m) and Andreas(£10m). Total out £58m. 1 less player but better quality in and £2m up on the deals.
Sell Smalling(£22m), Dalot (£10m), Lingard(£16m) and Andreas(£10m). Total out £58m. 1 less player but better quality in and £2m up on the deals.
Priorities: LB, CB, DMC, RW
LB - Reguilon/Telles - £20m
CB - Badiashille/Torunarigha - £30m
DMC - Roca/Sangare - £20m
RW - Chiesa/Berardi/Sarr - £45m
= c.£115m
With a couple of sales, we might even have a bit left in the kitty for a backup attacking midfielder like Buendia or Van De Beek (c. £25m).
LB - Reguilon/Telles - £20m
CB - Badiashille/Torunarigha - £30m
DMC - Roca/Sangare - £20m
RW - Chiesa/Berardi/Sarr - £45m
= c.£115m
With a couple of sales, we might even have a bit left in the kitty for a backup attacking midfielder like Buendia or Van De Beek (c. £25m).
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I agree that we need to look at squad depth as well. I think other than defence, our starting 11 is fairly good. We should only be aiming for someone like Sancho or we should wait another year.
On the other hand, our squad depth is very poor. Our quality drops significantly once we look at our subs. This is why signings like Grealish (who would be great for squad rotation and maybe even push for a staring position) would be ideal given the right price.
Would very much like a backup striker and a winger as squad options.
On the other hand, our squad depth is very poor. Our quality drops significantly once we look at our subs. This is why signings like Grealish (who would be great for squad rotation and maybe even push for a staring position) would be ideal given the right price.
Would very much like a backup striker and a winger as squad options.
The problem with players who would get into the starting 11 is that they would be very expensive. When we see someone like Sancho who would make a great fit, I think it’s worth waiting instead of spending big money on someone who won’t be as good.
Does anyone think Wolves would be under some pressure to sell Neves/Traore now they’re without European football?
We could definitely do with another striker option when Ighalo leaves in January no doubt about that
Yeah that's not true, friend.
Option A if possible is just Sancho if we can get him, and nobody else if thats all we have money for.
If not, then I'd rather Van De Beek over Grealish, especially with the price. Upamecano for sure at CB, he's got it all. Then Reguillon/Telles at left back, moving Williams to right back cover and Shaw as left back back up/back 3 starter if we got 3-5-2. Then somebody in the attack as better winger depth and we have Greenwood be the starter more often. Not sure who.
With van de beek fighting for any of the midfield spots and being quality depth. I would avoid premier league signings. You're paying twice as much for same quality, and that drains the budget. We spent 130m on Maguire and Wan Bissaka... nobody can say that we couldn't have had similar quality for 75/80m combined if we looked elsewhere. Leaves a whole quality player we can buy.
If not, then I'd rather Van De Beek over Grealish, especially with the price. Upamecano for sure at CB, he's got it all. Then Reguillon/Telles at left back, moving Williams to right back cover and Shaw as left back back up/back 3 starter if we got 3-5-2. Then somebody in the attack as better winger depth and we have Greenwood be the starter more often. Not sure who.
- Van de Beek - 35m
- Reguillon/Telles - 30m
- Upamecano - 50m
- Attack/wing better depth - 30m
De Gea
Upamecano Maguire Shaw
Wan Bissaka Pogba Fred Telles
Bruno
Rashford Martial
De Gea
AWB Maguire Upamecano Telles
Bruno Matic Pogba
Greenwood Martial Rashford
Upamecano Maguire Shaw
Wan Bissaka Pogba Fred Telles
Bruno
Rashford Martial
De Gea
AWB Maguire Upamecano Telles
Bruno Matic Pogba
Greenwood Martial Rashford
With van de beek fighting for any of the midfield spots and being quality depth. I would avoid premier league signings. You're paying twice as much for same quality, and that drains the budget. We spent 130m on Maguire and Wan Bissaka... nobody can say that we couldn't have had similar quality for 75/80m combined if we looked elsewhere. Leaves a whole quality player we can buy.
Going backwards with that lot aren’t we. Just over filling the squad with average players on huge contracts again.
Bale gives zero fecks and Memphis was one of the worst wingers I’ve ever seen at United he was utter dog shit.Watching him against City gave me flashbacks he was wank as usual.
Maybe not shit but he's reached his level.
Possibly. I think he would be a brilliant addition to our starting 11, not just the squad.
But then again I thought Schneiderlan was going to be brilliant, so who knows.
Bale on loan
Understood we had 25% sell on clause capped at 15m but I haven't seen the sale contract so I could be wrong, have you?
No, I haven't.
We need 4 players. That includes players like Brooks to improve the quality of our bench, but we need 4
Also seen bales name in a couple of threads I'd only take on loan with real paying bulk of wages and if he's happy with a sub role
Also seen bales name in a couple of threads I'd only take on loan with real paying bulk of wages and if he's happy with a sub role
Could you really seen Real being willing to do that though
Increasingly it looks like we won't get Sancho and based on what we are probably looking to spend, its fine. As long as we still get 2-3 quality additions in our squad. We also need to be realistic.
Brooks would be a horribly unambitious Hodgson/Dalgliesh era style Liverpool signing. If we go down that route it’s a clear statement of intent that we are happy being a top 6 club & are not a serious challenger. Chelsea are serious, it’s looking like we are not.
Very hard to argue with that
Who should be bring in on RW if we are unable to get Sancho
Anyone else would be a downgrade, risk and wouldn't take us to a higher level. The fee is huge for a reason, he's got a huge ceiling on what could be achieved. It goes further if we miss out now. The club will proper lose face walking away.
Brooks had a huge injury last year and played 9 games for a relegated team. Bale is done at the top premier league level and short sighted. Look at the bench, dead players from Sir Alex are still here. We can't get any transfers wrong or we will heavily regress. Still trying to move mistakes on from previous managers. I'd rather buy one proper player than spreading the money out on players that are okay. Okay isn't good enough, no more excuses. Ole has done his job, time to be backed or what's the point who's in charge.
Brooks had a huge injury last year and played 9 games for a relegated team. Bale is done at the top premier league level and short sighted. Look at the bench, dead players from Sir Alex are still here. We can't get any transfers wrong or we will heavily regress. Still trying to move mistakes on from previous managers. I'd rather buy one proper player than spreading the money out on players that are okay. Okay isn't good enough, no more excuses. Ole has done his job, time to be backed or what's the point who's in charge.
It’s better to pay a player €200,000 a week less to play for another club than pay him to sit on his arse and play golf in his spare time.
Real want him gone! They’re stuck with his €600k a week contract for 2 more years, I’m pretty sure saving €10 million for 1 season of his wages would be attractive to them. Not that I expect United to sign him at all.
Disagree with the pessimism. I think Brooks is a risk because of the nasty injury he had last year, but he is quality. I wish he had a little more explosive pace about him, but he makes up for it with abundance of quality in other areas.
He has also proven himself to be an attacking force in the Prem. Chelsea's new signing from Ajax has not. He could come in and tear it up, or he could struggle and not like getting kicked every week.
There is not a single player alive right now that would transform us into a serious challenger. With Sancho we might close the gap, but we're still not going to trouble the eventual winners next year.
I think signing Brooks would instead be a clear statement of intent that we are adding much needed quality and depth to the squad.
Knew this stupid idea of putting all our eggs in one basket with sancho would likely screw us over, should have been all over ziyech even last summer as he would have cost just an extra 5 -10 million of what we squandered on the hopeless daniel james.
The team that finished level with us bought Werner and Ziyech and are about to get Havertz. Three game changers, all potentially bordering on world class.
We're not going to finish above them with Grealish, Brooks and Torres.
We're not going to finish above them with Grealish, Brooks and Torres.
Lets just go and get Jack anyway along with decent CB & RW
We need to sign a starting right winger, a starting CB. If we sign Brooks he’ll be the only winger we sign. If you’re happy with that cool, but it’s the signing a club like Leicester or Wolves would make.
Chelsea have more ambition to win titles than United. It’s clear. It doesn’t make us bad fans admitting that. They’ve won 2 since we last did & are making statement signings. We’re doing nothing.
Yeah if we want to make the statement go out and get Sancho & Upamecano/Badiashile this window, yes I would like Jack as well but if we can get those two then still a very good window indeed
I never mentioned Ighalo playing LW. When Ighalo came on he played CF and Martial moved left. If Ole trusted Ighalo enough that change would have happened at 65 mins when our attack has lost all impetus and not wait till 92 mins.
The attack was obviously not working well. Rashford was very poor and besides that we didn't score a single goal from open play. How was it functioning well? After 60mins we didn't create much and we needed a goal to qualify. And Rashford doesn't need to be kept on to take pens when he's playing so badly and to even go to pens another 60mins of stalemate have to pass.
Grealish plays as a wide playmaker not as a wide forward. He often comes centrally to playmake, cause that's more natural to him. He's been mostly shifted wide because Villa have no one there, but until this season he had played mostly as a CAM. Even after this season still most games for him have been CAM (pic below).
He's not a forward who will be beat players and make runs in the box. He's not particularly pacy either. All this is reflected on the stats, with him having more assists or chances created than goals. Creativity and chance creation is his stand out feature. He's not an alternative to Rashford or Sancho or Greenwood, he's a different type of player. More like playing Bruno or (a younger) Mata out wide.
The sad part is, I don't see all three signings are done this summer. Chelsea are also linked with reguilon. If they get all their targets, it will be battle for 4th position again. My bigger worry is Pogba. Don't think he will want to stay beyond next season if the club fails to make any statement in the market.
We made room for Rooney, there's an argument we should do the same for Mason.
Plus all the forwards we have can rotate and play on the wings. I'd be tempted (if it weren't for Martial's progress this year) to rotate Martial with Rashford on the left again because Rashford imo has been awful since the restart and if he carries that form into next season that's what I would consider.
I'm probably overly concerned about Mason's development, but I just want the lad to be all he can be
Let's be clear. Rooney at the same age was running around bossing games. Greenwood receives the ball, is not super visible for 90% of the game, and then is 100% exceptional in his finishing. There's no way we should just bench Martial, or do some weird Martial - Greenwood - Rashford/James combination to suit Greenwood at the moment, when what we do now is working pretty well. We're opening up opponents, creating heaps of chances. Last year, we struggled to just create about 1-2 good chances pr game.
It looks worrying that we've put all our eggs in the Sancho basket. Let's see how things stand when the window closes, but looks like we're gonna fall behind again as of now.
Chelsea's squad depth is insane AND they gave top reinforcements; we're one serious injury away from crashing out of top four once more.
Chelsea's squad depth is insane AND they gave top reinforcements; we're one serious injury away from crashing out of top four once more.
Maybe not the club but certainly you'd think any serious manager would want a presence like that away from the set up
If your scoring more than Rooney then your bossing games.
I understand the concern to upset the good attacking progress we are making just think in the absence of a Sancho signing the kid will he left out on the RW for god knows how long.
I think that is pretty vague man. Maybe the only thing that is clear is that they have a billionaire owner that occasionally enjoys spending sprees, and we have fat Yank leeches who only care about infinitesimal gains in their portfolios.
Alternatively, you could say we made two huge, statement signings in the past calendar year in Maguire and Bruno!
And finally, sometimes the Leister and Wolves of the world make smart signings. And sometimes a team as sophisticated and "elite" as City makes terrible signings.
Have some faith, brother. If we don't sign anyone, then we will get to enjoy watching more of Mason G. next season. So its not all bad!
Seriously doubt we get 70 mil in these sales. Smalling will be 20 mil max. The rest less than 10. A couple considerably less.
Sarr from Watford. I think he's real deal (I thought this about Delay also, so I could be well off the mark).
I would much rather go all out for Sancho this season and sign no one else until next summer. With him we would have a very young set of 4 players for the front three. Our defence is not as bad as many try to make out and there is no obvious signing out there to improve the defence and available.