Sancho-less Window - Realistic Linked Targets

We need some quality and experience to mix with the youth we have. Would rather 3 decent rotation options than Sancho.
 
We need:
RWF for squad rotation - can be loan signings. We have MMM as our first choice front 3, I am happy with that. [0-50m budget, probably just loan]
AM backup/squad rotation - prefer to get Grealish for under 50m if possible [50m budget]
CB for squad rotation - or just getting Smalling back if we don't have any budget left. But we may need another one if Maguire in jail. [30m budget]
DM backup/squad rotation - We only have Matic in DM, Fred is not really a DM [30m budget]

or we just go and buy Sancho for 120m. Won't solve all our problems, but will definitely improve our squad. He is top top class.
 
If we where looking to do a mix of squad and 1st team at a reasonable cost I would go for.

Ryan fraser - free right sided forward. Would be a better option than Lingard, James & mata coming off the bench.

Donny van de beek 40m
Partey 40m
James Rodriguez 22m
20 - 25m for a lcb. (I haven't a clue who)

With a few outs eg Lingard, pereira, smalling, jones, dalot etc, would could recoup around 60m we would net spend around 60m.

Obviously this isn't fm & don't see us doing this much business or bringing in any of the suggested players.

I understand not all of these would be cartwheeling exciting signings, but I do think we would be much stronger squad wise.
 
If Sancho was unavailable, I’d like us to go for:

RW - Sarr £40m
CM - Ramsey Loan
LB - Telles £25m
CB - Badiashile £30m
 
Cant see Sarr going for that with how desperate we now seem.
 
Marcus Thuram. May be he is the next Sadio Mane. He got excellent DNA from his dad as an athlete that's for sure.
 
Camavinga 60m plus add-ons
Upamecano 50m
Telles 25m
Douglas Costa Loan

Ner outlay of ca 100m if we sell Smalling, Lingard and Perreira.

Then Sancho next summer.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
Camavinga 60m plus add-ons
Upamecano 50m
Telles 25m
Douglas Costa Loan

Ner outlay of ca 100m if we sell Smalling, Lingard and Perreira.

Then Sancho next summer.
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Sancho will go elsewhere next summer I am absolutely certain of that so now or never I am afraid
 
2 reasons for delay and one at a time

- we have a big but absolutely finite/defined budget
- every week we delay saves £300k in salary
 
Apart from being young and English, we want Sancho as he is a world class (well almost there) talent that would improve our first eleven significantly as well as make a statement.

If we cant get Sancho there are other good right wingers, but none that smack you in the face as world class. I mean Dembele could have been but has had injuries, Coman is an exciting player one on one and a good player but for me his all round game is missing that sparkle in terms of end product consistently, COsta could have been world class but never made it and Brooks is a good young player but not in the same ball park as any of these names ability wise.....Chiesa is a powerful, brave workhorse with good ability as well, would be the pick of the bunch for me as an alternative, think the fans would like him but none of these names are really a viable alternative for me in giving us what Sancho can.

If we dont get Sancho, I think we should make a similar alternative signing in a different position, not that any of those would be easy too. A ROmagnoli in defence, a Camavinga in midfield. Have little faith though reading Van Gaal and the players he missed out on and Mourinho also losing out on defenders.

We may have spent a lot of money, but it surprises me that the managers are not invovled in negotiations and talking to the players by the look of it and it seems we really have failed to build upon a side whenever we qualify for the champions league.

Ive a feeling this summer we are not going to sign the first ladder of players in terms of ability.

My faith is going down by the day. I dont see us signing a left back which isnt a huge concern, I dont see us signing a dm which is quite a concern and Im not confident of us signing a centre back even now, certainly not a top quality one.

Ive gone from starting the summer hoping for several outs Grealish, Sancho and a centre back to would be content now with Sarr and Grealish
 
jesperjaap said:
Apart from being young and English, we want Sancho as he is a world class (well almost there) talent that would improve our first eleven significantly as well as make a statement.

If we cant get Sancho there are other good right wingers, but none that smack you in the face as world class. I mean Dembele could have been but has had injuries, Coman is an exciting player one on one and a good player but for me his all round game is missing that sparkle in terms of end product consistently, COsta could have been world class but never made it and Brooks is a good young player but not in the same ball park as any of these names ability wise.....Chiesa is a powerful, brave workhorse with good ability as well, would be the pick of the bunch for me as an alternative, think the fans would like him but none of these names are really a viable alternative for me in giving us what Sancho can.

If we dont get Sancho, I think we should make a similar alternative signing in a different position, not that any of those would be easy too. A ROmagnoli in defence, a Camavinga in midfield. Have little faith though reading Van Gaal and the players he missed out on and Mourinho also losing out on defenders.

We may have spent a lot of money, but it surprises me that the managers are not invovled in negotiations and talking to the players by the look of it and it seems we really have failed to build upon a side whenever we qualify for the champions league.

Ive a feeling this summer we are not going to sign the first ladder of players in terms of ability.

My faith is going down by the day. I dont see us signing a left back which isnt a huge concern, I dont see us signing a dm which is quite a concern and Im not confident of us signing a centre back even now, certainly not a top quality one.

Ive gone from starting the summer hoping for several outs Grealish, Sancho and a centre back to would be content now with Sarr and Grealish
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Agree. I would prefer VdB over Grealish though, would likely be cheaper.

Sarr/Chiesa
VdB
CB

Not what we hoped but a solid window
 
Federico Chiesa.
  • 2nd best available RW
  • He wants to leave Fiorentina this summer
  • Fiorentina are OK with £45m, which United offered
  • He wants to stay in Italy to stay within radar of National team
  • No one in Italy can afford £45m
Will something give?
 
Surely we get someone

I think if they can't get Sancho by 11pm on Monday, they will use the domestic window to get I.Sarr
 
Lynty said:
Sancho is the only possible transfer which would really take us up a level in my opinion.
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Absolutely agree, but Its shaping up to be a "last Turkey in the shop on Christmas Eve" scenario.
A re run of the Fellaini debacle, final day panic buys perhaps Telles finally signed for Porto's original asking price, and maybe a loan deal.
Nothing that gives me any confidence that the 33 point deficit is going to be reduced.
 
Ikon said:
Absolutely agree, but Its shaping up to be a "last Turkey in the shop on Christmas Eve" scenario.
A re run of the Fellaini debacle, final day panic buys perhaps Telles finally signed for Porto's original asking price, and maybe a loan deal.
Nothing that gives me any confidence that the 33 point deficit is going to be reduced.
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Perisic on loan deal even though would love there to be something in the Dembele stuff
 
Lynty said:
Disagree. Your just rolling the dice again. Not saying I wouldn't take those 3 - as they look like good players. But I don't think they'd propel us much further and I'd be expecting at least one of Badiashile/Chiesa to flop hard. We'd still be fighting for top 4 at the end of the season and we'd still have the "United need 4 players to challenge" thread.

Sancho would immediately give us the strongest front 3/4 in the league. We need unquestionably world class talent. We'd likely still be fighting for top 4 - but we'd in reality be much closer to launching a title challenge than rolling the dice on maybes.
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If you think that Sancho alone will win us the league, you can dream on.
 
Ikon said:
Absolutely agree, but Its shaping up to be a "last Turkey in the shop on Christmas Eve" scenario.
A re run of the Fellaini debacle, final day panic buys perhaps Telles finally signed for Porto's original asking price, and maybe a loan deal.
Nothing that gives me any confidence that the 33 point deficit is going to be reduced.
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But tbf would it have been a 33 point gap if we had Bruno and Mason from the start of the season? I think there is a way to intelligently address some of the issues that have cropped up since the tail end of last season:

1. Having Greenwood around reduces how desperate we are for a Sancho level of talent because he is potentially that level but can't play every game.

2. Our midfield is pedestrian off the ball and we have issues with Pogba constantly being careless with possession in dangerous areas.

3. Lindelof is walking and living natural disaster at the heart of defense.

Assuming we have money to spend I'd buy Brooks to reduce the pressure on Greenwood. And he'd give us something different - someone who can provide creativity from the right and can cover multiple positions. A CB to replace Lindelof is urgent, we all know that Bailly can't be relied on because he is so injury prone. Telles is also another one to bring in.

These three signings whilst not being eye catching will give us depth and reliability so that we are not always relying on our first eleven thus avoiding the massive drop in performances we always endure when we lose a key player.
 
Berbasbullet said:
That’s not what he said.
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Sancho would immediately give us the strongest front 3/4 in the league. We need unquestionably world class talent. We'd likely still be fighting for top 4 - but we'd in reality be much closer to launching a title challenge than rolling the dice on maybes.

Liverpool had the strongest front 3/4 for some time. But ONLY when they tightened up in defence and Midfield did they eventually win the league. Hence we need more than Sancho.
 
Bestietom said:
Sancho would immediately give us the strongest front 3/4 in the league. We need unquestionably world class talent. We'd likely still be fighting for top 4 - but we'd in reality be much closer to launching a title challenge than rolling the dice on maybes.

Liverpool had the strongest front 3/4 for some time. But ONLY when they tightened up in defence and Midfield did they eventually win the league. Hence we need more than Sancho.
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But over the next 2-3 seasons RW right now is prob our strongest position, for me if its either or, we need a CB and a left back cover more than RW. All 3 ideally.
 
Bestietom said:
Sancho would immediately give us the strongest front 3/4 in the league. We need unquestionably world class talent. We'd likely still be fighting for top 4 - but we'd in reality be much closer to launching a title challenge than rolling the dice on maybes.

Liverpool had the strongest front 3/4 for some time. But ONLY when they tightened up in defence and Midfield did they eventually win the league. Hence we need more than Sancho.
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Nodody said we'd win the league.

But if we got Sancho, we'd probably be 1 or 2 players from a serious challenge.

If we didn't get Sancho and rolled the dice on good but largely unproven players...I forsee the exact same "we need 4 players to challenge"

Lynty said:
Disagree. Your just rolling the dice again. Not saying I wouldn't take those 3 - as they look like good players. But I don't think they'd propel us much further and I'd be expecting at least one of Badiashile/Chiesa to flop hard. We'd still be fighting for top 4 at the end of the season and we'd still have the "United need 4 players to challenge" thread.

Sancho would immediately give us the strongest front 3/4 in the league. We need unquestionably world class talent. We'd likely still be fighting for top 4 - but we'd in reality be much closer to launching a title challenge than rolling the dice on maybes.
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So what I'm saying is, I think we're fighting for top 4 regardless this season. With Sancho, without Sancho or even with no transfers at all. We'd be in the same position.

But long term, we'd be much closer to a real challenge
 
Last week of the window i doubt there are many quality options out there anymore. Save the money for next summer.
 
I am going to assume our budget is actually closer to 50m than the 120m Dortmund want for Sancho, plus I am bored...

In:
Thauvin 15m
Sarr 10m loan fee with option to buy and deductible loan fee
Telles 15m
Cavani Free
Pogba swapped with Verratti or Saul (bit optimistic here)
Upamecano 50m (If we manage to sell players)

Out:
Loans:
James to Leeds no option
Pereira to Lazio with option to buy
Dalot, Jones and Rojo offered to anyone willing to take them and pay their wages

Sell:
Lingard 15 -20m
Smalling 15 - 20m
Romero 5m

Only 6 days to get it all done...:nervous:
 
starman said:
I am going to assume our budget is actually closer to 50m than the 120m Dortmund want for Sancho, plus I am bored...

In:
Thauvin 15m
Sarr 10m loan fee with option to buy and deductible loan fee
Telles 15m
Cavani Free
Pogba swapped with Verratti or Saul (bit optimistic here)
Upamecano 50m (If we manage to sell players)

Out:
Loans:
James to Leeds no option
Pereira to Lazio with option to buy
Dalot, Jones and Rojo offered to anyone willing to take them and pay their wages

Sell:
Lingard 15 -20m
Smalling 15 - 20m
Romero 5m

Only 6 days to get it all done...:nervous:
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Bit optimistic on every transfer mate :lol: :lol:
 
starman said:
I am going to assume our budget is actually closer to 50m than the 120m Dortmund want for Sancho, plus I am bored...

In:
Thauvin 15m
Sarr 10m loan fee with option to buy and deductible loan fee
Telles 15m
Cavani Free
Pogba swapped with Verratti or Saul (bit optimistic here)
Upamecano 50m (If we manage to sell players)

Out:
Loans:
James to Leeds no option
Pereira to Lazio with option to buy
Dalot, Jones and Rojo offered to anyone willing to take them and pay their wages

Sell:
Lingard 15 -20m
Smalling 15 - 20m
Romero 5m

Only 6 days to get it all done...:nervous:
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I was going to agree with this until I saw Lingard for 15m
 
Lynty said:
Nodody said we'd win the league.

But if we got Sancho, we'd probably be 1 or 2 players from a serious challenge.

If we didn't get Sancho and rolled the dice on good but largely unproven players...I forsee the exact same "we need 4 players to challenge"



So what I'm saying is, I think we're fighting for top 4 regardless this season. With Sancho, without Sancho or even with no transfers at all. We'd be in the same position.

But long term, we'd be much closer to a real challenge
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Ok, agree with that.
 
RedorDead21 said:
But over the next 2-3 seasons RW right now is prob our strongest position, for me if its either or, we need a CB and a left back cover more than RW. All 3 ideally.
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All 3 would be nice, this window. Wake me up if it happens.
 
Bestietom said:
All 3 would be nice, this window. Wake me up if it happens.
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Expecting a CB next summer unless we get something incredible like Bailly & Tuanzebe staying fit and playing well all season.

I also still anticipate a move for a DLP/DM then as well because surely Ole will see McTominay & Fred cannot do Matic's job.
 
Yet another humiliating transfer sage for the club & the manager. If we weren't going to sign him, we should've quit 1 month ago. I thought the Liverpool Thiago transfer dragged on until i some how forgot & remembered all over again about this shambolic debacle!!!

We have looked like an enormous light-weight joke-again. This crap has been going on since Moyes was in charge-awful & shocking!
 
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