started with good first 2 names but it faded away later....Thiago Pool or City bound and dont want Bale or Deepay here. We dont need more on left hand side and Rashford/Martial/James can play there. If we are going for Deepay I prefer more out and out striker.
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started with good first 2 names but it faded away later....Thiago Pool or City bound and dont want Bale or Deepay here. We dont need more on left hand side and Rashford/Martial/James can play there. If we are going for Deepay I prefer more out and out striker.
How much more is Chiesa likely to cost than Brooks? Are they eons apart in terms of quality? Chiesa has the better stats but plays for a better team in a less competitive league, is younger and isn't coming off the back of an 11 month injury.
Grealish, Rice and Pau Torres will make me very happy.
We'll see more of Greenwood on the right wing as well.
I don't think Dortmund have as much power as people thought they do. This is not Jose's squad anymore, the current group of players (especially the front line) look like they could still improve further, together, with or without Sancho. Adding three players for different positions will make our squad depth much better.
We'll see more of Greenwood on the right wing as well.
I don't think Dortmund have as much power as people thought they do. This is not Jose's squad anymore, the current group of players (especially the front line) look like they could still improve further, together, with or without Sancho. Adding three players for different positions will make our squad depth much better.
This. This. This. I'd be feckin livid with the signings in the OP.
Save most of the money for next summer and buy him cheaper, see how Mason pans out.
Who knows, Greenwood could be a huge star. It's not like we have terrible cards on our hands. Defence is where we struggle. Everyone else in attack is overall developing nicely.
Use money on:
- Grealish 60m (squad depth, rotate with midfield, try to claim a starting spot)
- A talented-defender in the 40m range who can pass and play under pressure. Ben White?
- Extend Pogba.
- Maybe sign Fraser on a free for competition on the right. He'd basically be a new Mata in the same role.
Hell, if we just drop Grealish, I'd be fine too. Just fix defence, and we have a bright future ahead.
Who knows, Greenwood could be a huge star. It's not like we have terrible cards on our hands. Defence is where we struggle. Everyone else in attack is overall developing nicely.
Use money on:
- Grealish 60m (squad depth, rotate with midfield, try to claim a starting spot)
- A talented-defender in the 40m range who can pass and play under pressure. Ben White?
- Extend Pogba.
- Maybe sign Fraser on a free for competition on the right. He'd basically be a new Mata in the same role.
Hell, if we just drop Grealish, I'd be fine too. Just fix defence, and we have a bright future ahead.
Lyon Dembele(40) / Saul (60)/ VanBeek(40) / Upamecano(40) or Badiashile would do for me = 180M -70(smalling/Jesse/Perrera/Jones/Rojo)=110M Net spend.
Getting 4 players shouldnt be that difficult I guess
If Saul is not available I am ok with Zakaria or Ndidi
Getting 4 players shouldnt be that difficult I guess
If Saul is not available I am ok with Zakaria or Ndidi
To be honest any decent 3/4 signings will be OK who can help our first XI.
I disagree, we have a very good first 11 who drop in quality due to being overplayed - quality depth would allow our first 11 to play to their potential more often.
Due to Ole's inability to get the most out of mediocre players like Lingard and Perreira, I'd say that he can only work with already proven players, so without Sancho will be a trainwreck of a season.
Klopp signed Tsimikas, fairly unknown in the caf, but keep an eye on him. He has huge potential that a top coach like Klopp can unlock and develop even further
Klopp signed Tsimikas, fairly unknown in the caf, but keep an eye on him. He has huge potential that a top coach like Klopp can unlock and develop even further
I guess that would mean we can't do things in the transfer market other clubs can only dream of?
I agree to an extent, we have a good starting 11 but it does need improvement to mix it with City and Liverpool, depth will of course help and I'm not against that but the priority should be that Sancho signing for the neglected RW spot. Followed by a top CB and top DM.
That's a lot of cash right there. If we keep the players we have currently in those positions now then there's your depth.
I don’t think it’s an ‘either/or’ situation. The club can afford to pay for Sancho, they just don’t want to.
I also think if we did sign him, we’d still be looking at other areas to strengthen.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for us to sign Sancho above anyone else, but given the current financial climate it might not be possible without over stretching, in which case a pivot to quality depth would still improve us significantly.
Get in:
CB - Upamecano - 60mln EUR
CDM - Ndidi - 50mln EUR (might be a bit more)
LB - Reguillon - 40mln EUR (might be a bit less)
CM/CAM - Van Der Beek - 45mln EUR
RW - Bale - Loan (half wages)
Get out:
Smalling - 25mln EUR (We will have a new starting CB in Upamecano and good enough covers in Lideloff, Bailly. Tuanzebe on loan again)
Rojo - 5mln EUR
Jones - 15mln EUR
Perreira - 15mln EUR (Van Der Beek will do much better job and cover at least 2 positions)
Mata - 5mln EUR (time to go, some Chinese/Turkish side might pay some money for him)
Dalot - 15mln EUR (Brandon Williams will be the cover(more attacking) RB)
Total net spent: 115mln EUR
Next summer will look for permanent starter on the RW if Greenwood is not nailed there.
Should be doable
CB - Upamecano - 60mln EUR
CDM - Ndidi - 50mln EUR (might be a bit more)
LB - Reguillon - 40mln EUR (might be a bit less)
CM/CAM - Van Der Beek - 45mln EUR
RW - Bale - Loan (half wages)
Get out:
Smalling - 25mln EUR (We will have a new starting CB in Upamecano and good enough covers in Lideloff, Bailly. Tuanzebe on loan again)
Rojo - 5mln EUR
Jones - 15mln EUR
Perreira - 15mln EUR (Van Der Beek will do much better job and cover at least 2 positions)
Mata - 5mln EUR (time to go, some Chinese/Turkish side might pay some money for him)
Dalot - 15mln EUR (Brandon Williams will be the cover(more attacking) RB)
Total net spent: 115mln EUR
Next summer will look for permanent starter on the RW if Greenwood is not nailed there.
Should be doable
That would be a poor window.
It would be another summer gone and we still have an issue at right wing going unaddressed for over 7 years now.
This is my worry about losing out on Sancho. I don't want our potentially elite level striker being shoehorned into the RW spot (long term) because our club can't buy a fecking right winger.
It would be an absurd waste of talent. The kid is putting in better numbers than Rooney and the like at the same age, he has to gravitate towards the no 9 spot at some point.
It's going to be very easy for people (including management) to say 'ah well let's just leave Mason out there on the wing' because he's doing well. It's been what, a decade since we last signed a proper winger (other than James)? I don't want Mason out there for much longer, I hope Ole being a striker himself see's that as well.
Is this true? Covid has eaten into our revenue significantly hasn't it? Then there's the complicating factor of not knowing when fans will be allowed in the stadium again.
I don’t know, I’m making unfounded statements just like every other fecker on here.
I can’t imagine the financial impact has really been felt by the club yet, maybe this is why there is reluctance to pay up front.
I agree with the sentiment but I don't think playing ighalo left wing would have been smart in such an important match, especially when our attack was functioning well. so I don't think not bringing ighalo on left wing means Ole doesn't trust him. Maybe you mean go to 2 up top but I don't think we should have changed the shape when we were creating so many chances. Rashford is also a good peno taker which might have been on his mind. Again could have shuffled martial out to the left wing where he would be less effective... I think ole has trust in ighalo but recognises that martial needs to be on the pitch and at 9 in big matches unless the team is really sitting back and we can't get him the ball.
As for grealish, I often see this point being made but from what I know about the situation (seen and been told in the past), he mostly plays in rashfords role for villa, off the left coming into the half space and that his fairly dramatic change in form after lockdown was characterised by him coming very deep and having little effect on the game. when I think of grealish I think he could rotate with both Rashford and Bruno very effectively, but I think we would be mis-selling it saying he wouldn't impact our front three, I think he could play in 3 of the four positions across our front 4 and, in a sancho world, probably pushes rashford for a starting place far more often than he pushes bruno
I-Ndidi
They weren't world beaters under the previous managers. And as you've rightly said, what you see is what you get - mediocre players. Unsure what sorcery you're expecting there from any manager.
Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Fred - were they what you'd call proven players before Ole? They had potential, and he's shown he can help promising players to up their performance levels.
There's no argument for buying or keeping mediocre players, players with potential that can already make a noteworthy impact though, that I can get behind.
Ins;
Sancho - 110m
Saul - 80m
Alaba - 40m
Out
Lingard - 25m
Smalling - 20m
Zaha sell on 10m
Pogba - 80m
Dalot - 15m
Rojo - 0m
Total ins = 230m
Total outs = 150m
Net spend = 80m
That would be the dream. No increase in wages, deadwood moved on (not including pogba in deadwood obviously) and team much improved.
Sancho - 110m
Saul - 80m
Alaba - 40m
Out
Lingard - 25m
Smalling - 20m
Zaha sell on 10m
Pogba - 80m
Dalot - 15m
Rojo - 0m
Total ins = 230m
Total outs = 150m
Net spend = 80m
That would be the dream. No increase in wages, deadwood moved on (not including pogba in deadwood obviously) and team much improved.
IN
Jimenez
Brooks (promising young talent and worth a punt)
Ronaldo for £54m !!! (Pirlo is said to be keen on getting him off the wage bill, so he can rebuild the squad)
DM ?
CB ? (I can't see this being Ole's priority as we have 5 CB's, plus Smalling already)
OUT
Smalling - £18m to £20m
Lingard - we pay them to take him away
Peirera - £5m (Portuguese club)
Dalot - £10m
Rojo - Free
Jones - Donated to the NHS for practice.
Mata has one more season left on his contract. He'll go on a Free next summer.
Jimenez
Brooks (promising young talent and worth a punt)
Ronaldo for £54m !!! (Pirlo is said to be keen on getting him off the wage bill, so he can rebuild the squad)
DM ?
CB ? (I can't see this being Ole's priority as we have 5 CB's, plus Smalling already)
OUT
Smalling - £18m to £20m
Lingard - we pay them to take him away
Peirera - £5m (Portuguese club)
Dalot - £10m
Rojo - Free
Jones - Donated to the NHS for practice.
Mata has one more season left on his contract. He'll go on a Free next summer.
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Moussa Diaby, granted i only watched YouTube highlights but, flipping hell full on muppet mode for this guy.
Even though Lingard is mediocre at best he had his best season under Mourinho with 13 goals and 7 assists. I'd say these numbers are pretty grood for a squad player.
This is the difference between a real coach and an apprentice magician.
So back to topic, for Ole to be successful he needs
Sancho
Saul
Upameccano (don't know if spelled correctly)
Lewandowski
Realistic, Saul, Upameccano, Tsimikas(too late for that)
Any of the wide attacking options are such a massive step down from Sancho that they are barely worth looking at. Just try to get a proper holding midfielder and a CB.
And under Real coach other young players were poor and under apprentice magician they all had their best seasons.
But you have Martial for the top currently who is on the verge of becoming a PL topscorer. Cant give each 50% of the games, would halt both developments
I really like Grealish, he is a terrific player, and has a fantastic attitude, but my reservation about him is that when you look at his highlights, they always seem to focus on him carrying the ball through midfield ball at his feet.
I just wonder, does that style then nullify having very pacey forwards, if Grealish isn't releasing the ball quickly enough?
The stat of being the most fouled player seems to back this up.
I just wonder, does that style then nullify having very pacey forwards, if Grealish isn't releasing the ball quickly enough?
The stat of being the most fouled player seems to back this up.
In Grealish's defence he was playing with some mediocre forwards plus I dont see it as a bad criticism that he keeps the ball.
We could do with a individual who isn't so erratic with his passing.
We could do with a individual who isn't so erratic with his passing.
We made room for Rooney, there's an argument we should do the same for Mason.
Plus all the forwards we have can rotate and play on the wings. I'd be tempted (if it weren't for Martial's progress this year) to rotate Martial with Rashford on the left again because Rashford imo has been awful since the restart and if he carries that form into next season that's what I would consider.
I'm probably overly concerned about Mason's development, but I just want the lad to be all he can be
I know exactly what you are saying, and this is the puzzle.....does he hold the ball too long because his teammates are not trusted or up to the task, so he feels he has to do it all by himself?
If so, what happens when he is alongside better players such as Pogba & Bruno...?
When he has forwards such as Rashford & Martial to pass forward to..?
Fair comments but I still do think Thiago would be good.
Who would you choose for the attack?
Thank you for summing up what needs to happen with signings this summer and what it should mean for players currently in the first XI
Yeah we should definitely still be pursuing a CB and creative midfielder irrespective of the Sancho saga going on at the moment
There are not many players on the level of Sancho who are not already at big clubs.
Any option after that looks pale in comparison.
Any option after that looks pale in comparison.
I know the frustration and it sucks to admit our limitations, but even we were to sign Sancho, Vidic and Rio in their prime, and Jesus, we aren't finishing higher than 3rd.
I think scrapping top four is the absolute best we can hope for right now.
Signing 20 million full backs seems a bit excessive, how we gonna keep them all happy? Sorry mate, couldn’t resist
Sign an attacker that can cover two front positions, but is more comfortable at RW. Sancho is obviously perfect for this role, but seems to be dead in the water. Adama Traore would be a good option but he would cost stupid amounts and he's more effective on the counter-attack. Not sure how he would fare against deep lying defences. Chiesa hasn't really shown too much at Fiorentina to justify the price tag and Italians don't seem to settle too well in the Prem.
Kingsley Coman would be a good option on loan, with his injury record, it means Greenwood would still get plenty of minutes and even James as I can't see him staying fit for a whole season. Saves some of our budget for other positions as well.
We need to sign a CB. Try get Upamecano or Konate. Torres if not, although I've never seen him play and reports are a bit underwhelming. I'd try and sign a DM to that can pass from deep. Been linked with a few names such as Sangare so could be an option.
Shaw is an injury worry at LB. I don't think Williams is a long term option. If we can get a good player for £15-20m, we should go for it.
Kingsley Coman would be a good option on loan, with his injury record, it means Greenwood would still get plenty of minutes and even James as I can't see him staying fit for a whole season. Saves some of our budget for other positions as well.
We need to sign a CB. Try get Upamecano or Konate. Torres if not, although I've never seen him play and reports are a bit underwhelming. I'd try and sign a DM to that can pass from deep. Been linked with a few names such as Sangare so could be an option.
Shaw is an injury worry at LB. I don't think Williams is a long term option. If we can get a good player for £15-20m, we should go for it.
- Bale on a 1 or 2 year loan (Madrid paying half his wages)
- Jamal Lewis - Perfect backup for Luke Shaw. Left footed and quite good going forwards which we badly need.
- a CB to replace the outgoing defenders and to partner Maguire.
That would be a very solid window for us if we can't get Sancho over the line. You could be looking at £70-80m tops for those and that's not to take into account the players we can shift as well so it will come down a fair bit.
I'd be very confident of another top 4 finish with those 3 and maybe a real chance at one of the domestic cups.
- Jamal Lewis - Perfect backup for Luke Shaw. Left footed and quite good going forwards which we badly need.
- a CB to replace the outgoing defenders and to partner Maguire.
That would be a very solid window for us if we can't get Sancho over the line. You could be looking at £70-80m tops for those and that's not to take into account the players we can shift as well so it will come down a fair bit.
I'd be very confident of another top 4 finish with those 3 and maybe a real chance at one of the domestic cups.