Nope, I'm saying he's playing better than anyone else this season, and is doing as well as any striker in world football could right now, making him the best striker in world football.
Not the most productive.
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Nope, I'm saying he's playing better than anyone else this season, and is doing as well as any striker in world football could right now, making him the best striker in world football.
Not the most productive.
You think Torres and Villa are better at finishing than Eto'o? As far as I'm aware Torres has only ever finished a season with 20 league goals once, and that was last year, in England.
I'm responding to Guardiola saying he was perfect up until around November, but then had a bit of a bust-up, and was subsequently dropped...
I think a lot of this is down to Guardiola's man management skills. He seems to be good at rotating the squad, keeping them fresh and motivated and not letting them slip.
Also doesn't mind disciplining the players when they need it.
Yeah but its a bit harsh comparing his form in a mediocre Athletico team to his potential form in a team like Barcelona. He would obviously get way more than 20 goals in that team.
I mean seriously, he got 20 last season playing in the scouse team.
Edit: Plus he has matured and grown as a player, so he's totally different to what he was in Spain.
And thats your opinion, I can see why you have it because Eto'o is a great striker.
Villa has 6 goals in his last 6 internationals for Spain. You have to wonder how he'd do with a player like Xavi or Alonso playing the kind of passes they've been playing into him for Spain.
Valencia dont have that at all. Malaga's midfield just played Valencia's off the park. Thats why he's 5 goals behind Eto'o. But he still managed to get on the scoresheet from a half chance and hit the bar with a chip from another.
I think Torres would do pretty much the same as Eto'o at Barcelona. Score regularly, miss chances you'd think he'd score but he'd always finish a match having hurt the opposition like Eto'o does.
In terms of pure goalscoring, I think all 3 are pretty much as dangerous as each other if we're talking individually. If you're talking about playing against Villa for Valencia, against Torres for Liverpool or against Eto'o for Barcelona, Eto' for Barcelona is the most likely to score against you in my opinion.
Creatively Atletico were just as good as Liverpool. and he missed plenty of chances there, so there's every reason to assume maybe he might not be as clinical at Barcelona.
Then I disagree completely. Sorry.
You cant have missed the chances he's missed over the past month or so.
I've seen them myself so I can confirm that they did air on sky sports and if you were watching the same coverage as me and you werent caught going to get a cup of tea, then they did in fact happen right in front of your eyes.
So if you assume that Torres would do the same for Barcelona, and you think they're all as dangerous individually, then you agree he's doing as well as anyone could right now, thus making him the best striker around.
Yes, he's missed plenty of chances.
He's also made plenty of chances through his own good work.
Which is the point, he's doing as well as anyone else would in his position.
Yes, but with such a subjective topic you have to look at the facts, and Eto'o's scoring record in Spain is far superior to Torres'. I just don't see how you can say he would score more goals then Eto'o currently is in this Barca team (23 in 22 games.)
Not quite. I think Villa would set up far more goals than him as he's more of a team player, whilst scoring just as many.
I think Torres would score just as many goals as Eto'o, the difference being Torres is a lot younger and could perhaps improve on that in the future.
But if you have Eto'o and he's behaving you might not be looking at the rest, despite the added bonuses they might bring.
I know, but do you agree that Torres is better than he was when he was in Spain?
He gets about 2 chances per game in England, usually buries one of them.
In terms of pure goalscoring, I think all 3 are pretty much as dangerous as each other if we're talking individually.
Doesn't make sense, that's very contradictory.
We're referring to the disruptive cnut who's played 29 of his clubs games this season, scoring 24 goals, in a season Barca are running away with La Liga and favourites for the Champions league, yeh?
Maybe, or maybe he's just revelling in playing against defenders which he deems easier to play against, and that helps his confidence.
Yeah.
Basically Eto'o has had more chances, therefore more goals.
Villa has played with a shit midfield compared to Barcelona's, and has still managed to score five less than Eto'o. This should be proof enough that Villa would be better than Eto'o
Torres has been injured for half this season. But in my opinion would have been more lethal than Eto'o in the Barcelona team.
Villa has played with a shit midfield compared to Barcelona's, and has still managed to score five less than Eto'o. This should be proof enough that Villa would be better than Eto'o
Torres has been injured for half this season. But in my opinion would have been more lethal than Eto'o in the Barcelona team.
Erm no. Because I said as is bolded, that "in pure goalscoring terms" I'd say they are about the same level.
That has nothing to do with all round level of play, passing, tackling, etc.
Oh he's a top quality player and I wish we would have signed him when we (supposedly) had the chance. I'm just a big fan of Eto'o, so I obviously don't think any other striker could score more goals in this Barca team.
Except Ronaldo.
Silva, Mata and Joaquin have actually created a shit load of chance for Villa and vice versa and that's a lot of creativity there. While Barcelona's service is excellent, I wouldn't say Valencia's is that bad at all and they play some amazing football.
As for thinking Torres would do Eto'o's job, well Torres has been pretty poor since the Euros and imo at least Eto'o is a better player than him. That turn he did in the match today where he missed was just an example. Yes he does get good service but moments like that, he can create something out of nothing and change the game just like that.
Eto'o quite possibly could've scored just as many, if not more.
This is a pointless comment due to the fact that you have no idea what he thinks of the English defenders.
Exactly, and it's the reason I don't usually speculate as to which strikers would perform better in certain teams. There's no way of knowing for sure.
Ah right yeah, I missed that bit.
But seeing as Villa has an assist record of 1 in 5 in the past two years, don't you think you might be slightly biased about how much more creative he is than Eto'o?
Yeah maybe.
this arguement has hit a brick wall without stats to compare chance conversion.
I think he had a go at the quality of English defenders in the press one time.
Jesus christ. Robinho has scored as many goals as Ronaldo for a far inferior side, so that means if Robinho came to United he would do better than Ronaldo? Baseless theory.
No he wouldnt because last season Ronaldo scored a lot more than Robinho when they were in teams of similar stature.
On talking about English defenders he said:
"But the truth is most of them lack defensive positioning as a result of their reliance on strength and aggression and leave so much space for you to take advantage of."
Said in an interview before.
When they are on top, yes. Which they havent been in any match since about November. They had a great defensive record and goalscoring record both at the same time when they were top of the league. As soon as they were knocked off the top, they plummetted. Villa has played more minutes than any other player in the league this season, he's been tired in the past few months. Mata too, is just young and playing his first full season and he's been tired and dropped a level from the same time. In the past few months Valencia's attacking play has come undone a little, ironically it coincided with David Silva returning to full fitness. Its a shame he cant be playing next to Mata in full form as well as Villa.
Anyway I'm going on a bit, what I'm saying is that when they are on top form yes, there's lots of creativity from Valencia's players. But they havent been on top form for many months now and in central midfield, they've been pathetic recently. They dont dominate midfields because they dont have the personnel for it, just the aging and under-par legs of Baraja and Albelda as first choice for some reason, despite the partnership not working once this season. They hit teams on the break with the players you listed.
I think you're doing a disservice to Torres here. He's capable of the same. And thats coming from someone the Chief refers to as a "Torres hater". It was a fantastic turn though.
Just a silly thing to say. Eto'o isn't too far off being a goal a game this season. That's not a case of "well he's had more chances". That's a top class striker doing things no other striker in the game is doing right now
Some players can't handle playing for the biggest clubs, with the pressure of expectation every single game. When Kevin Phillips was scoring 30 in a season for Sunderland, was that proof he'd score 50 for United?! Of course not. It just doesn't work like that
I also might be slightly biased by the fact Villa had the second most assists in the Valencia side come 15th of November last year. I dont have up to date records
but that says something about his own ability to create goals for others and also about the ability of his team mates to create goals for him.Eto'o on the other hand would be behind who in terms of creating goals this season? We could probably list 11 Barcelona players as an answer to that question.
And you might say "Well, thats not Eto'o's role in the side." and you might have a point, but Villa plays the same role so its obviously a perk he has in comparison.
I remember Eto'o in Mallorca creating and his scoring plenty of goals with some very shit teammates
Right. He did indeed do that, but he wasnt scoring a goal a game. So that doesnt have too much relevance to this topic because its not like the other players mentioned arent scoring goals.