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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Can't tell if they're a brilliant troll or just thick as pigshit with the fisherthem line.
She's clearly been radicalised over there. That's all conservative christian yank talk. I think you'd be laughed out of it in most of places here for seriously using the word 'demonic' in that context.Of course she’s Irish
On the piers tweet I thought fisherthem was quite sweet and funny during a light-hearted interview. Do those claiming that Sam is attention-seeking over using that word not see that it's the likes of Piers Morgan who's amplified that portion of the interview with his tweet? I doubt it would have come to your attention otherwise. This is the first I'm seeing of it for example.
It always amuses me that the most hate filled ones are the ones who think they are going to any kind of "heaven" 
‘Fisherthem’ is quality, to be fair.
Because if you have a different view on this topic doesn't that basically tell us that you don't think people deserve to be able to identify as whatever they like? I wouldn't call someone evil for that but it's not a good look.
The fisherthem line seemed like top quality trolling. Got a complicit snigger out of me anyway, and I've never felt anything other than mild annoyance towards Sam Smith prior to that. They've went up in my estimation.
It was clearly tongue in cheek. He’s just desperately unfunny and lacks charisma. It’s a bit sad really.
Gotta love how people get too excited for ridiculous things, easy there Mr Pigeon, it's not end of the world
I've had my dinner now so I've calmed down a wee bit. fecking love spaghetti hoops with kippers.Gotta love how people get too excited for ridiculous things, easy there Mr Pigeon, it's not end of the world
I believe that people can identify anyway they want. I honestly don't care about it either way. So your assumption that anyone with a different view from you automatically thinks that way is not correct. I think that's perhaps part of the issue I have with all this. People jumping to very negative assumptions as the default reaction to a different opinion being expressed isn't a good look as you put it.
I purposely said someone instead of you as I didn't know what your views were. And if you do believe that people can identify anyway they want then how do we have different views?
We have different views I would assume on whether other people should be forced, coerced or made to feel like crap if they don't address someone with the pronoun that person prefers. I'm not sure if I would agree with that.
Why not? I'm not asking this in bad faith to try catch you out or anything here, I'm genuinely curious.
I believe people have the right to be whatever they want to be however I also believe that people also have the right to not be forced to call someone by a certain pronoun if they don't agree with it or find it challenging. Now this doesn't mean I personally would actively use a pronoun in an attempt to upset someone who believed they should be addressed in another way but I also think we shouldn't necessarily be that worried about hurting people's feelings, or at least not treat it as seriously as we would if someone physically hurt someone else. Everyone is different and not everyone agrees on everything and that's ok. People get upset and disagree about what other people say sometimes and that's ok too, it's all just part of life. Having a healthy debate about issues does sometimes mean being willing to get upset and angry and hearing things we don't agree with but as long as it's done in a safe and understanding way then I think it's fine.
An internet forum is one of the worst places to try and do this of course because text can be misinterpreted and you miss a lot of the inflection and understanding that can be conveyed in a face to face conversation which leads sometimes to jumping to conclusions or only hearing part of what's being said due to the context being unclear.
I hope I'm explaining myself ok here. I'm really trying hard not to piss people off but I also feel that it's important to hear different views without getting attacked.
Good post. We definitely view things differently but you've explained yourself well here.
Nah, that's bollocks, tbf, and I struggle to think how a debate in good faith have can be had with people who feel like this. There's simply nothing to agree or disagree with, and if someone finds it challenging to respectfully address others the way they'd like to be addressed then that person is a cnut. There's not much more to it, really.
The key part of this you perhaps didn't pick up on is the 'forced' part. I'm not saying people shouldn't try and address people in whatever way is suitable, they probably should, what I'm saying is that they shouldn't be forced to do so if they don't want to. I think that's more important than possibly hurting someone else's feelings. You may disagree with that and that's ok.
The only reason to not "want" to do it is bigotry though, and bigotry is not a mitigating circumstance in not following the most basic forms of politeness and respect.
That's irrelevant though really I think. People are still free to say stuff you and others may view as bigotry. You may not like it and you may react to it but I still don't think that justifies believing that people should be forced to use terms they don't agree with even if you view them not using them as bigotry. Being polite or respectful is great and it should be encouraged but it's not something we would expect or want people to be forced to do. Life doesn't work that way even if we think it should.
What a terribly sad thing to believe. Anyway, yeah, if you think like that there's absolutely nothing at all we can agree on about this. Let's move on.
Is anyone actually being forced? You keep using that term but I'm not entirely sure that actually happens.
It's not a one way street either way. You're defending the idea that people should be allowed to continue spouting ignorant ideas that actually attack a person's idea of who they are over people in society trying to encourage these people to make a small change that can have a great positive affect on others.
I think that you could certainly take it that some people feel it should be seen as compulsory if you look at some posts in here but mainly on social media. Not everyone of course but some are so aggressive at anyone daring to go against what they believe it's not a hop, Skipp or a jump to assume they would be in favour of it being required.
So thats a no then.
It’s always the same rubbish which is anti trans people can say whatever they want but trans people can’t complain or push back at all, because something something free speech.
If someone wants to deliberately use the wrong pronouns then fine but also accept that others have the right and are going to call that person a cnut.
It’s very simple.
If someone wants to deliberately use the wrong pronouns then fine but also accept that others have the right and are going to call that person a cnut.
It’s very simple.
Really? I never saw that.
I've no problem with that at all. That's not what I'm saying.
Ah cool fair enough then.
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I’m disappointed that we all aren’t outraged at the poor fishermen who have been callously misgendered.
Ha, great joke.
Thanks.
Won't be long till you will need to call superheroes spiderthem, superthem and batthem
He's quoting The Communist Themifesto!!
So you see some people on the Internet who might want it to be a legal requirement? I see plenty of people who, judging by them very clearly deliberately mis-gendering non-binary and transgender people, would definitely not want that.
His best Pat Butcher outfit today
Would've voted differently in that art competition if I knew about this at the time.
How is this thread still going?
A fisherthem
ffsWhen using “they” in this context, do you use the third person singular verb or third person plural? Or do you capitalise “They”? is it like the use of sie/Sie in German?
Fair play to Sam Smith anyway for earning loads of publicity for mediocre music by basically recycling a Bowie controversy from 1973 without the looks or a fraction of the talent.
Fair play to Sam Smith anyway for earning loads of publicity for mediocre music by basically recycling a Bowie controversy from 1973 without the looks or a fraction of the talent.