Sam Kerr | Found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment

Ludens the Red said:
:lol: The feckin state of this man. You’re so transparent.
You blatantly thought Sam Kerr was part black and thought there was an opportunity to get in the fact you perceive there to be a double standard in relation to when black people are racially abused or racially abuse others. You were called out on it and now you’re trying to gaslight the posterwho called you out on it. Take the L dude. Don’t dig deeper…
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Nope, I thought she was part Aboriginal but apparently its Indian. You seem a little desperate to ignore my point and jump on this. Thats never a good sign when you can't debate the actual argument and have to resort to attacking to person and fixating on a small error.
 
terraloo said:
Surely the point here it wasn’t Sam Kerr that was sick it was the other occupant a critical point for me because that immediately brings in the question is the issue even relevant because Kerrs partner was never charged with anything.

If I were Kerr and partner I would now be looking to pursuing the taxi driver because his actions potentially could be viewed as unlawful in that he denied them their freedom for an offence that wasn’t indictable .The damage to the window was significantly below the threshold to elevate this level of criminal damage to an indictable offence irrespective had he taken them home that window almost certainly wouldn’t have been broken
You then have the advice given to the taxi driver and indeed the intervention of the police. Here there is an issue because did he seek advice before the damage or after ?
The matter re the fare including cleaning etc shouldn’t have been an issue until the journey ended at the passengers intended destination. That never happened nor did the passengers flee in effect the whole matter was almost certainly a civil matter and really should have been recognised as such. by the police
You then have CPS who clearly were pressured into taking the action but it’s back to the Police Officer and I do wonder with all that goes on if his pursuit was
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This article is all I’ve read on the matter. Rightly or wrongly, it states that it was Kerr who had been sick.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...led-questions-race-power-and-privilege-ntwnfb
 
SER19 said:
I'm going to tap out of this conversation now, perhaps we need a sub forum for the amount of nonsense controversy stories in the womens game that take so much air time. Its my own mistake to get drawn into it and I'll try not to in future.
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Probably for the best in fairness.
 
moses said:
Nah, it's just you don't cover yourself in glory when discussing anything about the women's game.

Wasn't it you who had an issue with female commentators too?
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Im staying out of these threads probably for the best so you'll have to dm me if you have pressing questions on your mind
 
SER19 said:
Im staying out of these threads probably for the best so you'll have to dm me if you have pressing questions on your mind
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So you answered to say you wouldn't be answering. I'll take that as yes. Have a nice day and be careful of those awful women that are everywhere.
 
Wouldn’t be a controversial caf thread without at least one opinionated contribution from yours truly. Having read the Grauniad summary I can confidently say that this is one of those situations where everyone involved comes out it looking badly. And, as usual, you can predict with 100% accuracy which posters will choose which characters to get behind in the redcafe post mortem.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wouldn’t be a controversial caf thread without at least one opinionated contribution from yours truly. Having read the Grauniad summary I can confidently say that this is one of those situations where everyone involved comes out it looking badly. And, as usual, you can predict with 100% accuracy which posters will choose which characters to get behind in the redcafe post mortem.
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Yeah, just unpleasant.
 
It's a funny story that never should've been in court.

It's also hysterical the stuff that some are arguing.

"sam kerr then tells the police man in question that he is 'stupid and white'. this is pretty obviously a comment on power and privilege, not racism - something i'm sure she has experienced a lot of in her life, unlike the supposed poor white heteronormative policeman."
 
NotChatGPT said:
It's a funny story that never should've been in court.

It's also hysterical the stuff that some are arguing.

"sam kerr then tells the police man in question that he is 'stupid and white'. this is pretty obviously a comment on power and privilege, not racism - something i'm sure she has experienced a lot of in her life, unlike the supposed poor white heteronormative policeman."
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I’m sure it wasn’t a ‘funny story’ for the two women who thought they were being kidnapped at the time, and then not listened to by police, and then, even more ridiculously, charged.

If you’re a mixed race woman whose words are not believed or listened to by a white man, then yes, calling that person a ‘white privileged man’ and ‘stupid and white’ is distinctly about power and privilege, not racism.
 
Oranges038 said:
Never said it was. Nobody was violently attacked or killed. It was all about some sick and some words.

She got drunk and got sick in a taxi and was taken to court for saying words? Taking a drunk person through the court for words is fecking stupid and an absolute waste of time and resources that could be used somewhere else.

Obviously the legal sides aren't going to turn down the money and will do whatever they will get paid for. But a serious judge would have thrown this out on the first day.

Absolutely ridiculous carry on from all sides, throughout this whole thing, given the amount of publicity they should all have been way too embarrassed to go through with it. Make her pay for the taxi clean up and grow the feck up.
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I mean, you did. You said "drunk people being arseholes and saying words shouldn't even get to court". I wonder how acceptable you'd see that view if different scenarios.

She was found not guilty, so excluding her, how racially abusive can someone be in your world as long as they are just being a drunk arsehole? What about a level of controlling domestic abuse every time a partner gets drunk? Ah no, just being a drunken arsehole.

Crazy view.

Anyway, this threads a bit mad - I'm out of it.
 
stepic said:
I’m sure it wasn’t a ‘funny story’ for the two women who thought they were being kidnapped at the time, and then not listened to by police, and then, even more ridiculously, charged.

If you’re a mixed race woman whose words are not believed or listened to by a white man, then yes, calling that person a ‘white privileged man’ and ‘stupid and white’ is distinctly about power and privilege, not racism.
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I mean you surely know more about the state of London police, but I still struggle to understand how some here claim that:
a) police reaction to this incident was incorrect mainly due to her being a mixed race woman, so if it was two white men who were completely pissed, vomited in the cab, got in a quarrel with the driver and destroyed the window they would've been taken much more seriously by police?
b) while there's little doubt about existence of white privilege and that minorities are treated terribly by police not only in the UK, Kerr is a global superstar and a millionaire and her ethnic background is predominantly English/Australian. I'm not entirely sure if a random London cop with 1% of her net worth and 1% of her possibilities is necessarily in the position of 'power and privilege' over a world-renowned sportsperson.
 
Wibble said:
Her father is half english and half Indian and her mum has some degree of Philippino heritage. She does however seem all Australian :)
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The potty mouth is indeed very australian. :angel:
 
Red Star One said:
I mean you surely know more about the state of London police, but I still struggle to understand how some here claim that:
a) police reaction to this incident was incorrect mainly due to her being a mixed race woman, so if it was two white men who were completely pissed, vomited in the cab, got in a quarrel with the driver and destroyed the window they would've been taken much more seriously by police?
b) while there's little doubt about existence of white privilege and that minorities are treated terribly by police not only in the UK, Kerr is a global superstar and a millionaire and her ethnic background is predominantly English/Australian. I'm not entirely sure if a random London cop with 1% of her net worth and 1% of her possibilities is necessarily in the position of 'power and privilege' over a world-renowned sportsperson.
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a) The thought and fear of being kidnapped wouldn't have ever crossed the minds of two random men.
b) In this specific situation, one has the power to arrest the other.
 
stepic said:
I’m sure it wasn’t a ‘funny story’ for the two women who thought they were being kidnapped at the time, and then not listened to by police, and then, even more ridiculously, charged.

If you’re a mixed race woman whose words are not believed or listened to by a white man, then yes, calling that person a ‘white privileged man’ and ‘stupid and white’ is distinctly about power and privilege, not racism.
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It's a funny store because it's been blown miles of out proportion and never should've ended up in court, she said something stupid and the policeman wasn't offended until ages after, shit happens.

It's also funny that people are actually arguing that using the color of someones skin when adressing someone is overall fine if it's in relation to someone being white as it's white privilege and who gives a shit.
 
antk said:
a) The thought and fear of being kidnapped wouldn't have ever crossed the minds of two random men.
b) In this specific situation, one has the power to arrest the other.
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a) Men never gets kidnapped?
b) Coppers generally do, i don't recall it depending on the color of their skin.
 
astracrazy said:
I mean, you did. You said "drunk people being arseholes and saying words shouldn't even get to court". I wonder how acceptable you'd see that view if different scenarios.

She was found not guilty, so excluding her, how racially abusive can someone be in your world as long as they are just being a drunk arsehole? What about a level of controlling domestic abuse every time a partner gets drunk? Ah no, just being a drunken arsehole.

Crazy view.

Anyway, this threads a bit mad - I'm out of it.
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You say it's mad but bring domestic abuse into it. You're talking about a pattern of behaviour that would probably be in private setting and perhaps may be a regular occurance in domestic abuse, which really isn't the case here. So, you can't really equate the two.

My post was too general, I can see that. But in general drunk people being arseholes in public, getting sick and calling people names etc, are fecking harmless and will wake up the next day and either be totally embarrassed or have forgotten all about it.

This was apparently an isolated public incident that's been blown way out of proportion. All these people should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves, but they were all just too butthurt to swallow their pride and move on.
 
Oranges038 said:
You say it's mad but bring domestic abuse into it. You're talking about a pattern of behaviour that would probably be in private setting and perhaps may be a regular occurance in domestic abuse, which really isn't the case here. So, you can't really equate the two.

My post was too general, I can see that. But in general drunk people being arseholes in public, getting sick and calling people names etc, are fecking harmless and will wake up the next day and either be totally embarrassed or have forgotten all about it.

This was apparently an isolated public incident that's been blown way out of proportion. All these people should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves, but they were all just too butthurt to swallow their pride and move on.
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They might but what about the person on the receiving end? Just in general and not this case, how about some respect and responsibility or as a society is that too much to ask?
 
NotChatGPT said:
a) Men never gets kidnapped?
b) Coppers generally do, i don't recall it depending on the color of their skin.
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How can your answer to "random men do not fear being kidnapped on the regular" be "men can be kidnapped too!". Are you arguing that two random men locked in a random cab would be deeply worried about getting trafficked? What world are you living in?

There's a concerning lack of cognitive tissue between our posts. You said "I'm not entirely sure if a random London cop [...] is necessarily in the position of 'power and privilege' over a world-renowned sportsperson". When I point out he actually has the very real power to arrest her, you retort "yeah but all cops do". So, does he have power over her or not?
 
Oranges038 said:
You say it's mad but bring domestic abuse into it. You're talking about a pattern of behaviour that would probably be in private setting and perhaps may be a regular occurance in domestic abuse, which really isn't the case here. So, you can't really equate the two.

My post was too general, I can see that. But in general drunk people being arseholes in public, getting sick and calling people names etc, are fecking harmless and will wake up the next day and either be totally embarrassed or have forgotten all about it.

This was apparently an isolated public incident that's been blown way out of proportion. All these people should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves, but they were all just too butthurt to swallow their pride and move on.
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I get you and that was was where I was going - I just didn't make myself clear. I wasn't suggesting domestic abuse in this case, I was just pointing out other things it could cover. And of course you are right, christ the things I get up to, but there would still be a line somewhere which I was exaggeratingly highlighting.

Anyway, like I said, I'm out of this thread. Catch you in another one :+1:
 
antk said:
How can your answer to "random men do not fear being kidnapped on the regular" be "men can be kidnapped too!". Are you arguing that two random men locked in a random cab would be deeply worried about getting trafficked? What world are you living in?
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Is it a common theme in London that mulitple women together in taxis are kidnapped and trafficked?

In general, woman or not, i'd be a bit worried about the overall situation if i get locked in a taxi and the drive is acting weird
 
NotChatGPT said:
Is it a common theme in London that mulitple women together in taxis are kidnapped and trafficked?

In general, woman or not, i'd be a bit worried about the overall situation if i get locked in a taxi and the drive is acting weird
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No. In London women are very comfortable about being given locked in cars late at night and not driven to where they are going.
 
I see some people on here are still twisting themselves into knots over Sam Kerr`s apprent exceptionalism because she has Indian ethnicity on her father`s side of the family, is a woman and is a lesbian.

On what planet do the police officers who put up with her arrogant shit talking and refusal to take responsibility for being a drunken arsehole, acting as if vandalising the cab of somebody who earns a basic living was fine regardless of whether she or her girlfriend did it and justifying it and boasting about her bank account while bringing their skin colour/ethnicity into it, come out of it badly?

No excuse for these excuses for Sam Kerr - the transcript is accurate, the police officers were very controlled during their videod interactions with her and her disrespect including calling the cab driver a `f.......cnt` as well as her completely unwarranted bringing of skin colour/ethnicity into it - unwarranted in the view of people who think playing race cards when you`re being a POS is just that.

The Matildas are over-hyped by an Australian sports media that has key sections pushing the notion that a multicultural team with just a few straight players - Mary Fowler and probably a couple of players who are reserves - can`t be criticised in any way and deserve a statue in their honour for coming fourth in the Women`s World Cup. Many more Australians than you think find the whole excuse making for Sam Kerr to be irrational and yet another agenda serving exercise.

Until she behaves like somebody other than a conceited, self entitled, nasty piece of work who thinks she can treat people who don`t make millions like dirt just because she can kick a ball around, those opinions won`t change.
 
antk said:
How can your answer to "random men do not fear being kidnapped on the regular" be "men can be kidnapped too!". Are you arguing that two random men locked in a random cab would be deeply worried about getting trafficked? What world are you living in?

There's a concerning lack of cognitive tissue between our posts. You said "I'm not entirely sure if a random London cop [...] is necessarily in the position of 'power and privilege' over a world-renowned sportsperson". When I point out he actually has the very real power to arrest her, you retort "yeah but all cops do". So, does he have power over her or not?
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It's not him who said that, it was me, you're responding to a wrong person I guess. But I guess it's a matter of semantics and what's enough for your to say "yes, cop has a very real power over anyone, because they can arrest them". In theory yes, theoretically a random street cop has a very real power over the richest man in the UK because he could potentially arrest him. Were British cops in the position of power over Cristiano Ronaldo? In practice I think you'd have to be a bit naive not to take into account that millionaires are not so much threatened by the law enforcement - unless we're talking multiple murder, which is not a case here - and I certainly doubt a person with unlimited money feels that a street cop has a real power over them, considering the legal avenues (top lawyers) and the less legal ones (corruption, influence) that can help them avoid consequences they'd otherwise face.
I guess some can disagree but I genuinely believe that in the UK and many other countries huge money is the ultimate privilege - and a more impactful one than race/gender
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
They might but what about the person on the receiving end? Just in general and not this case, how about some respect and responsibility or as a society is that too much to ask?
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Honestly, I doubt people give a feck what drunk people say 99% of the time, because in general drunk people are fecking idiots. Unless they are being overly violent or aggressive, then you just move on and forget about it.

People being drunk idiots happens all the time.

Out of curiosity, I watched the 30min video that shows the interaction in the police station, you can see why she was pissed and started giving them shit.

But, all of these people should be ashamed of their actions in this whole thing. The fact that this went all the way to court and people had to serve on a jury to hear all this nonsense. It's embarrassing, ridiculous and a pure waste of time and money.
 
ryansgirl said:
I see some people on here are still twisting themselves into knots over Sam Kerr`s apprent exceptionalism because she has Indian ethnicity on her father`s side of the family, is a woman and is a lesbian.

On what planet do the police officers who put up with her arrogant shit talking and refusal to take responsibility for being a drunken arsehole, acting as if vandalising the cab of somebody who earns a basic living was fine regardless of whether she or her girlfriend did it and justifying it and boasting about her bank account while bringing their skin colour/ethnicity into it, come out of it badly?

No excuse for these excuses for Sam Kerr - the transcript is accurate, the police officers were very controlled during their videod interactions with her and her disrespect including calling the cab driver a `f.......cnt` as well as her completely unwarranted bringing of skin colour/ethnicity into it - unwarranted in the view of people who think playing race cards when you`re being a POS is just that.

The Matildas are over-hyped by an Australian sports media that has key sections pushing the notion that a multicultural team with just a few straight players - Mary Fowler and probably a couple of players who are reserves - can`t be criticised in any way and deserve a statue in their honour for coming fourth in the Women`s World Cup. Many more Australians than you think find the whole excuse making for Sam Kerr to be irrational and yet another agenda serving exercise.

Until she behaves like somebody other than a conceited, self entitled, nasty piece of work who thinks she can treat people who don`t make millions like dirt just because she can kick a ball around, those opinions won`t change.
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If you’ve actually read the whole series of events and the transcript then I’m thoroughly impressed how you’ve managed to get all of it completely wrong.

Christ I hope some of you lot are never on a jury.
 
stepic said:
If you’ve actually read the whole series of events and the transcript then I’m thoroughly impressed how you’ve managed to get all of it completely wrong.

Christ I hope some of you lot are never on a jury.
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Mate, if you really believe what you just wrote then nobody can help you. If ever a post deserved less than zero futher attention, it`s yours.
 
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