Sam Kerr | Found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment

Oh look its that same glaring double standard again getting really old now, like that black bbc actor who pointed out on TV how 'terribly white' the royal ceremony was, by far the most complained about thing of the year and OFCOM brushed it aside as a 'personal observation taking in to account freedom of expression'.

Which I happen to agree with objectively, yet everybody knows what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot and it certainly wouldn't be championing their right to freedom of expression it's fecking laughable. And precisely why identity politics is so vilified and divisive it has absolutely nothing to do with "equality" or "anti racism" its just replaced one level of acceptable tribalism and prejudice with another, in which case just because you use doublespeak and change the definition of words to suit your social agenda doesn't mean it changes for everybody else.
 
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SER19 said:
Absolutely sickening conduct from the drunken refusal to pay, the vomiting, the smashing the window and the obligatory invoking of every possible victim card she could. Just a brain switched to left wing autopilot. Forget about the comment to the police officer, there would be absolutely unanimous condemation if a male player and his pal were sick in a taxi and kicked the window in. Vile person it seems and completely unashamed of her actions.
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Left wing autopilot are a band I would go to see.

This is literally nothing to do with left wing issues. It does, however easily identify you as somebody who has embarked on a culture war they do not understand, and bad must mean left wing.
 
JakeC said:
Left wing autopilot are a band I would go to see.

This is literally nothing to do with left wing issues. It does, however easily identify you as somebody who has embarked on a culture war they do not understand, and bad must mean left wing.
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They cut the footage before the bit where she started droning on about the theory of surplus value.
 
stepic said:
do you work for the police too?

she's a millionaire, they're not going to do a runner ffs
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If they didn't want to pay, what was the original argument about then that lead to the taxi driver feeling the need to call the police?

Interested how you also believe their claim they didn't know he called the police? What was it, a silent phone call?
 
mctrials23 said:
Shes mixed race. I was talking in general terms and the most common minority we talk about when it comes to racism is black people. People who are mixed race are no different from anyone else when it comes to racism on both sides of it. People can be racist no matter their skin colour.
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She's mixed raced, with no black in her. So again, what does any of this case have to do with black people?
 
astracrazy said:
If they didn't want to pay, what was the original argument about then that lead to the taxi driver feeling the need to call the police?

Interested how you also believe their claim they didn't know he called the police? What was it, a silent phone call?
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Paying for the damage, not the cab fare.

I’ve already addressed the second point, I presume you’ve never been in a black cab before.

Love all you lot immediately not believing what she had to say, automatically taking the same position as the police, ignoring the actual point of the entire case, and failing hilariously to see the irony of it all.
 
stepic said:
Paying for the damage, not the cab fare.

I’ve already addressed the second point, I presume you’ve never been in a black cab before.

Love all you lot immediately not believing women, automatically taking the same position as the police, and failing hilariously to see the irony.
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They are millionaires, so why wouldn't they want to pay for the sick? "They are millionaires ffs" didn't you say?

Yes plenty. And still find it hard to believe they didn't know or weren't warned. But I suppose their memory whilst blind drunk must be spot on.

Oh ok, well how righteous of you that you believe everything they say just be because they are. Who said this is about thier sex, apart from you?

The irony in your nievety is to be admired.
 
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SER19 said:
Absolutely sickening conduct from the drunken refusal to pay, the vomiting, the smashing the window and the obligatory invoking of every possible victim card she could. Just a brain switched to left wing autopilot. Forget about the comment to the police officer, there would be absolutely unanimous condemation if a male player and his pal were sick in a taxi and kicked the window in. Vile person it seems and completely unashamed of her actions.
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So two women are locked in a cab, driven to a location against their will with no explanation and so they panic and try to break out of the locked cab. The Police, despite an abundance of prior incidents of women being abducted, sexually assaulted and even murdered by cab drivers refuse to accept that the women had any reason to be scared and instead treat them like criminals, believing every word the cab driver says and doubting everything that they say. Clearly there was racism and a hint of misogyny on display here but it was from the alleged victim who only managed to remember to feel offended 10 months after the fact just so that he could make sure the CPS had enough to bring a charge,
 
Gandalf said:
So two women are locked in a cab, driven to a location against their will with no explanation and so they panic and try to break out of the locked cab. The Police, despite an abundance of prior incidents of women being abducted, sexually assaulted and even murdered by cab drivers refuse to accept that the women had any reason to be scared and instead treat them like criminals, believing every word the cab driver says and doubting everything that they say. Clearly there was racism and a hint of misogyny on display here but it was from the alleged victim who only managed to remember to feel offended 10 months after the fact just so that he could make sure the CPS had enough to bring a charge,
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Why didn't you include the first part of what happened?
 
Quality control
She’s just a racist looking goblin. Should’ve thrown the book at her.

Other way around and we’d never hear the end of it.
 
astracrazy said:
They are millionaires, so why wouldn't they want to pay for the sick? "They are millionaires ffs" didn't you say?

Yes plenty. And still find it hard to believe they didn't know or weren't warned. But I suppose their memory whilst blind drunk must be spot on.

Oh ok, well how righteous of you that you believe everything they say just be because they are. Who said this is about thier sex, apart from you?

The irony in your nievety is to be admired.
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how should i know? maybe they felt the driver was asking for an excessive amount (apparently she threw up out the window)? maybe the driver was being rude or aggressive when demanding it? maybe he threatened them? do you just hand over money when someone demands it?

more to the point, you're fixating on the irrelevant part. the police have a duty to listen to the public and not immediately ridicule, discredit, patronise, or gaslight someone's story. the police just saw a drunk, mixed race woman and didn't believe her because she was a drunk, mixed race woman (yet you don't find that problematic at all). the actual lead up to her comment was them not believing she and her gf had called emergency services from within the taxi. turns out in court evidence they had attempted this.

the -actual case- was in relation to a charge of 'racially aggravated harassment' - clearly bullshit, and proven to be - yet all you and a few others in here want to do is immediately dismiss her version of events, just like the police did. like i say, the irony is delicious.
 
Love double standards in this case and on this thread.
Especially remarks "give her a fine and move on".
 
stepic said:
how should i know? maybe they felt the driver was asking for an excessive amount (apparently she threw up out the window)? maybe the driver was being rude or aggressive when demanding it? maybe he threatened them? do you just hand over money when someone demands it?

more to the point, you're fixating on the irrelevant part. the police have a duty to listen to the public and not immediately ridicule, discredit, patronise, or gaslight someone's story. the police just saw a drunk, mixed race woman and didn't believe her because she was a drunk, mixed race woman (yet you don't find that problematic at all). the actual lead up to her comment was them not believing she and her gf had called emergency services from within the taxi. turns out in court evidence they had attempted this.

the -actual case- was in relation to a charge of 'racially aggravated harassment' - clearly bullshit, and proven to be - yet all you and a few others in here want to do is immediately dismiss her version of events, just like the police did. like i say, the irony is delicious.
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You tell me how you know, you made a confident statement earlier about how they are millionaires so wouldn't do a runner. If you've been in cabs before you'd know there is a sign of tariff about soilage.

What makes you assume it was because she was a women and mixed race? Are you suggesting that if two drunk white males had to be driven to a police station because of their behaviour inside a cab they would have been treated differently? Because I can assure you the police would still lean on the side of taxi driver.

Clearly bullshit....as long as you'd be fine with me calling someone stupid and brown or stupid and black acceptable....or would if be different because I'm a white male?
 
astracrazy said:
Why didn't you include the first part of what happened?
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Was taking it as read that that part was known. Regardless of whether one of them threw up in the cab it is still sketchy in the extreme to detain them and take them somewhere against their will. I have the privilege of being a white male and so I would not be scared in that situation although I probably should be but for women it is an entirely different scenario, what happened would have been very scary for them and everything that happened after was as a result of the Police essentially choosing to ignore their feelings and take sides without given them a hearing. Kerr was drunk and her behavior was obnoxious but the Police Officer was antagonistic towards her and chose to feel offended only when almost a year had passed and because it was the only way that he could stick the boot in. It was petty when all that was needed was a warning and an apology and it is pretty much a certainty charges would never have been filed if she was not a celebrity.
 
Gandalf said:
So two women are locked in a cab, driven to a location against their will with no explanation and so they panic and try to break out of the locked cab. The Police, despite an abundance of prior incidents of women being abducted, sexually assaulted and even murdered by cab drivers refuse to accept that the women had any reason to be scared and instead treat them like criminals, believing every word the cab driver says and doubting everything that they say. Clearly there was racism and a hint of misogyny on display here but it was from the alleged victim who only managed to remember to feel offended 10 months after the fact just so that he could make sure the CPS had enough to bring a charge,
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:lol: yep thats a good summary of the shit she span
 
JakeC said:
Left wing autopilot are a band I would go to see.

This is literally nothing to do with left wing issues. It does, however easily identify you as somebody who has embarked on a culture war they do not understand, and bad must mean left wing.
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It is though. I consider myself left wing, and unfortunately the left, in the past decacde has been overwhelmed by the smaller number of leftists who believe identity is central to absolutely everything. It takes a delusion or brain rot of enormous scale to get pissed, vomit in the back of a taxi, smash a window, abuse a police officer and name drop the legal team of your world renowned employer - and then invoke gender and race. It is obscene and a direct consequence 'left wing' ideas. Again, I am left wing, and many of my right wing friends and colleagues are embarrassed by those who fall under their 'right wing umbrella' as I am here. Perhaps the labels left and right are of no use anymore, in fact that is almost certainly the case - but if you think the argument she's since made wasn't rooted in left wing politics then I don't know what to tell you and we should respectfully disagree.
 
Gandalf said:
A good summary of what was proven in court hence the not guilty verdict.
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she was found not guilty of the racially aggravated harrassment. And to be honest, I'm not particularly offended by that juvenile nonsense she said to him. He should have let it go in my opinion.

The rest though, give me a break. If I did what she did, I'd expect to be dumped at a police station or held in the car until police arrive and would wake the next day absolutely mortified that I vomited in a man's workplace then smashed his window. It would though be incredibly helpful to draw my gender or race cards to absolve myself of any responsibility.

I'm going to tap out of this conversation now, perhaps we need a sub forum for the amount of nonsense controversy stories in the womens game that take so much air time. Its my own mistake to get drawn into it and I'll try not to in future.
 
SER19 said:
she was found not guilty of the racially aggravated harrassment. And to be honest, I'm not particularly offended by that juvenile nonsense she said to him. He should have let it go in my opinion.

The rest though, give me a break. If I did what she did, I'd expect to be dumped at a police station or held in the car until police arrive and would wake the next day absolutely mortified that I vomited in a man's workplace then smashed his window. It would though be incredibly helpful to draw my gender or race cards to absolve myself of any responsibility.

I'm going to tap out of this conversation now, perhaps we need a sub forum for the amount of nonsense controversy stories in the womens game that take so much air time. Its my own mistake to get drawn into it and I'll try not to in future.
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Even though you're ducking out I think this is one of the better points I've seen.

I'm sure most of us have seen examples of people doubling down on things when they know they've probably fecked up due to some combination of guilt and embarrassment.
 
astracrazy said:
You tell me how you know, you made a confident statement earlier about how they are millionaires so wouldn't do a runner. If you've been in cabs before you'd know there is a sign of tariff about soilage.

What makes you assume it was because she was a women and mixed race? Are you suggesting that if two drunk white males had to be driven to a police station because of their behaviour inside a cab they would have been treated differently? Because I can assure you the police would still lean on the side of taxi driver.

Clearly bullshit....as long as you'd be fine with me calling someone stupid and brown or stupid and black acceptable....or would if be different because I'm a white male?
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it's beyond reasonable that a famous millionaire is not going to do a runner, yes. you also ignored my examples of why a dispute may have started. i'm sorry i can't tell you exactly the reason for the dispute given I wasn't in said car. but you may appreciate that - god forbid - disputes do occur in life about things.

i would expect the police to listen to whoever is speaking to them, whether that's a mixed race woman or a white man. they did not do that in this case. i'm not sure it's up to you to tell sam kerr what she was experiencing was not racism or misogny - do you think you're in that position?

the final point was literally proven not to be the case by a jury after months of evidence but nope astracrazy on the redcafe message boards knows more! just stop posting please.
 
Gandalf said:
Was taking it as read that that part was known. Regardless of whether one of them threw up in the cab it is still sketchy in the extreme to detain them and take them somewhere against their will. I have the privilege of being a white male and so I would not be scared in that situation although I probably should be but for women it is an entirely different scenario, what happened would have been very scary for them and everything that happened after was as a result of the Police essentially choosing to ignore their feelings and take sides without given them a hearing. Kerr was drunk and her behavior was obnoxious but the Police Officer was antagonistic towards her and chose to feel offended only when almost a year had passed and because it was the only way that he could stick the boot in. It was petty when all that was needed was a warning and an apology and it is pretty much a certainty charges would never have been filed if she was not a celebrity.
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I see 2 sides of this story -

The cop was an idiot, he amended his statement adding bits later on. If he was really alarmed, he would have included it on the day with a good write-up. Something must have happened whether it’s politics, stupidity or peer pressure. It doesn’t take 10 months to add a statement, coming from experience this. It’s also to add, did he know who she was at the time? Not everyone knows football.

In relation to Kerr, she was probably scared and we won’t know ourselves as we weren’t in her shoes. Nor was we in the taxi driver. Both come with the job, dealing with 2 sides of the story and making the best decision. I think Kerr let herself down still, she didn’t have to use the word white.

I get why the jury found her not guilty.
 
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Personally I found it easy to believe that they were scared when the driver drove them away from their intended destination and kept the doors locked.

The fact that they tried calling the police themselves and that they ran towards the police when they got to the station confirmed they weren't thinking about a cleaning fee or criminal damage, they were thinking about their fear and their safety.

Kerr didn't feel listened to. Now, I can see that it's hard to listen to a drunk and harder still to see why they would be scared when the taxi driver had simply followed instructions to go to the police station. Trouble is I can also see why Kerr would think he's not listening to her.

Decent summary of the story at:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ggravated-harassment-of-police-officer-ntwnfb
 
stepic said:
- sam kerr then tells the police man in question that he is 'stupid and white'. this is pretty obviously a comment on power and privilege, not racism - something i'm sure she has experienced a lot of in her life, unlike the supposed poor white heteronormative policeman.
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Pretty obvious? What an understatement.

It's a VERY clear nod to Focaultian discourse analysis; an on-the-fly expression of both the anguish and intellectual depth bubbling deep inside Sam Kerr.

Some might say that you're wildly over-intellectualising a drunk insult, others might suggest that you're literally the lib version of MAGA wherein you'll bend over backwards to either defend or demonise somebody based solely on their immutable characteristics...but we know better.
 
stepic said:
it's beyond reasonable that a famous millionaire is not going to do a runner, yes. you also ignored my examples of why a dispute may have started. i'm sorry i can't tell you exactly the reason for the dispute given I wasn't in said car. but you may appreciate that - god forbid - disputes do occur in life about things.

i would expect the police to listen to whoever is speaking to them, whether that's a mixed race woman or a white man. they did not do that in this case. i'm not sure it's up to you to tell sam kerr what she was experiencing was not racism or misogny - do you think you're in that position?

the final point was literally proven not to be the case by a jury after months of evidence but nope astracrazy on the redcafe message boards knows more! just stop posting please.
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Yeah they do, but I can't say I've ever gotten into a dispute with someone over my own cause which had lead to them needing call the police.

If thats how she wants to take it then thats her right, but unfortunately a white male blind drunk would get the same treatment from the police in that situation vs a sober taxi driver who felt the need to ring the police. So what can we blame that on?

The ruling was if what she said racially aggravated harassment, not what we are talking about. So no. I won't stop posting just because you don't agree. The irony of wanting to silence someone you don't agree with :lol:
 
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It was a ludicrous charge, and a complete waste of court time.

Also, locking your cab door and driving drunk women to an unknown location against their will is a stupid thing to do and a stupid thing to advise someone to do. For extremely obvious reasons.
 
I think she’s basically been found not guilty of the harassment part, as opposed to the racist part. If it was just a matter of ‘is what she said racist?’, most sane people would say yes.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Pretty obvious? What an understatement.

It's a VERY clear nod to Focaultian discourse analysis; an on-the-fly expression of both the anguish and intellectual depth bubbling deep inside Sam Kerr.

Some might say that you're wildly over-intellectualising a drunk insult, others might suggest that you're literally the lib version of MAGA wherein you'll bend over backwards to either defend or demonise somebody based solely on their immutable characteristics...but we know better.
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the courtroom doesn't agree, but i'll add you to the list of straight white men who seem to know more than the jury who have had months of evidence to go through. keep not listening to women though about their very real fears and anxieties in our society though, it's a great look dude.

astracrazy said:
Yeah they do, but I can't say I've ever gotten into a dispute with someone over my own cause which had lead to them needing call the police. Perhaps the taxi driver was a mysogic racist....who knows.

If thats how she wants to take it then thats her right, but unfortunately a white male blind drunk would get the same treatment from the police in that situation vs a sober taxi driver who felt the need to ring the police. So what can we blame that on?

The ruling was if what she said racially aggravated harassment, not what we are talking about. So no. I won't stop posting just because you don't agree. The irony of wanting to silence you don't agree with :lol:
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you seem very intent on absolving the taxi driver based on nothing else but a hunch. i would suggest locking two women in a taxi after they've asked you to let them out, and then driving around for half an hour away from their intended destination, ignoring them, and not telling them what you're doing is not cool behaviour. i'd also suggest the police not even bothering to question him for this behaviour is also not cool behaviour.

the third paragraph was replying to you saying 'Clearly bullshit....as long as you'd be fine with me calling someone stupid and brown or stupid and black acceptable....or would if be different because I'm a white male?'

so yes, it is relevant.
 
stepic said:
but i'll add you to the list of straight white men who seem to know more than the jury who have had months of evidence to go through.
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I'm Ethiopian so you can file that alongside your other fanfiction, including declaring the cop heteronormative on pure vibes.

Oh and this:
keep not listening to women though about their very real fears and anxieties in our society though, it's a great look dude.
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Literally didn't comment on the case other than laughing at your blueanon intellectualising of a drunk insult (I actually think it's crazy that it even went to court). You just threw in that moralising, preaching line reflexively, which is very amusing.
 
sullydnl said:
It was a ludicrous charge, and a complete waste of court time.

Also, locking your cab door and driving drunk women to an unknown location against their will is a stupid thing to do and a stupid thing to advise someone to do. For extremely obvious reasons.
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It does seem like the sensible thing to do would have been for him to pull over and try and explain to them what was happening. Whether that would have got through to them is a different matter, but they couldn't really claim "we thought he was kidnapping us" if he's just sat in the front of the cab waiting for the police to arrive.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
I'm Ethiopian so you can file that alongside your other fanfiction, including declaring the cop heteronormative on pure vibes.

Oh and this:

Literally didn't comment on the case other than laughing at your blueanon intellectualising of a drunk insult (I actually think it's crazy that it even went to court). You just threw in that moralising, preaching line reflexively, which is very amusing.
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you 'literally didn't comment on the case' - except when, in response to me saying 'sam kerr then tells the police man in question that he is 'stupid and white'. this is pretty obviously a comment on power and privilege, not racism

you bolded it, and replied with:

Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Pretty obvious? What an understatement.

It's a VERY clear nod to Focaultian discourse analysis; an on-the-fly expression of both the anguish and intellectual depth bubbling deep inside Sam Kerr.

Some might say that you're wildly over-intellectualising a drunk insult, others might suggest that you're literally the lib version of MAGA wherein you'll bend over backwards to either defend or demonise somebody based solely on their immutable characteristics...but we know better.
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ignoring your failed attempts at humour, no, i'm not over-intellectualising anything - i'm just repeating what sam kerr said herself in the court of law. i know actually listening to women must be a foreign concept for you, but it doesn't always have to equate to some ultra left wing stance or whatever the feck you're going on about.

but no, you're right, she was clearly just hysterically babbling, rather than making a point (however drunken it may have been) about race and gender power dynamics.
 
jojojo said:
Personally I found it easy to believe that they were scared when the driver drove them away from their intended destination and kept the doors locked.

The fact that they tried calling the police themselves and that they ran towards the police when they got to the station confirmed they weren't thinking about a cleaning fee or criminal damage, they were thinking about their fear and their safety.

Kerr didn't feel listened to. Now, I can see that it's hard to listen to a drunk and harder still to see why they would be scared when the taxi driver had simply followed instructions to go to the police station. Trouble is I can also see why Kerr would think he's not listening to her.

Decent summary of the story at:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ggravated-harassment-of-police-officer-ntwnfb
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Especially when she didn't even throw up inside the cab, she rolled down the window and threw up out the window. Then the driver rolled up the window onto her neck and demanded a cleaning fee that only applies if you throw up inside the cab.

Not really someone you'd trust at that point, especially if you're not thinking straight.
 
Jesus people in here need to lay off the political kool aid.

Sam Kerr and her friend were both pricks in this incident, the taxi driver was stupid not to inform them he was ringing the police. If he wanted to lock the doors, he should have done that, and not driven with the women in the back. Park the car, lock the door.

Kerr was drunk and being an arrogant cnut, she deserved to be charged with drunk and disorderly or whatever but not racial harassment despite her comment clearly having racial connotations. The cop has likely hear worse insults and it does feel a bit like it was "I'll show her".

Clusterfeck on both sides but Kerr still comes off as an absolute arrogant clown.
 
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padr81 said:
Jesus people in here need to lay off the political kool aid.

Sam Kerr and her friend were both pricks in this incident, the taxi driver was stupid not to inform them he was ringing the police. If he wanted to lock the doors, he should have done that, and not driven with the women in the back. Park the car, lock the door.

Kerr was drunk and being an arrogant cnut, she deserved to be charged with drunk and disorderly or whatever but not racial harassment despite her comment clearly having racial connotations. The cop has likely hear worse insults and it does feel a bit like it was "I'll show her".

Clusterfeck on both sides but Kerr still comes off as an absolute arrogant Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
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