Sam Kerr | Found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment

I'm suggesting that there's no reason a man in a similar faced situation shouldn't fear for his overall safety.
But is there a difference in the degree in concern? Cause what people do in response will be different depending on how worried they are.

Cause I would argue women have MUCH more reason to be concerned and could justifiably panic, and men much less so. Even if being in a locked cab going into an unknown direction would be deeply worrying for anyone.
 
Ah ok - so because TWO women haven't been abducted from a cab at the same time they're being irrational.

Clearly they should have suppressed all of their instincts and just gone along with being taken somewhere they didn't ask to go because there were two of them!

Not sure what you're trying to get at. You tried to take the piss out of my claim that a man in a similar faced situation has every reason to be concerned by asking me to provide examples of men being killed under similar circumstances, yet when you can't answer any examples of similar situations like Kerr ending badly you ridicule me for asking.
 
I'm suggesting that there's no reason a man in a similar faced situation shouldn't fear for his overall safety.
You're ignoring the fact that a cabbie would most likely not have subjected a man to that situation in the first place.

Also you seem to not understand how men and women perceive threatening situations differently - if you can't appreciate the fact that a woman's first instinct in a threatening situation wouldn't be to think "well if I was a man this would probably be just as scary" is ridiculous you likely have a lot of self-reflecting to do.
 
Not sure what you're trying to get at. You tried to take the piss out of my claim that a man in a similar faced situation has every reason to be concerned by asking me to provide examples of men being killed under similar circumstances, yet when you can't answer any examples of similar situations like Kerr ending badly you ridicule me for asking.
Nice false equivalence. You're the one who said these situations are comparable without any evidence and you still haven't provided any.

There are numerous examples of women being kidnapped, assaulted, murdered, etc by cabbies and police - but apparently they should just ignore that if they're with one other woman? Again, feel free to point out one single instance where men were targeted in this way.
 
But is there a difference in the degree in concern? Cause what people do in response will be different depending on how worried they are.

Cause I would argue women have MUCH more reason to be concerned and could justifiably panic, and men much less so. Even if being in a locked cab going into an unknown direction would be deeply worrying for anyone.

They probably have much more reason to be concerned about specific crimes, like sexual assault, while i wouldn't really argue that it's the case in their situation considering they were two people together in a taxi, but they were drunk. Not sure i'd argue the same about overall crime and dangerous situations, if you're locked in a cab going into an unknown destination and you're under the influence of alcohol then i'd say it's not much of a surprise that the person is concerned and afraid about the situation and fear for their own safety. It's not like the news isn't full of examples of people being stabbed, shot, whatnot for meaningless random altercations.
 
They probably have much more reason to be concerned about specific crimes, like sexual assault, while i wouldn't really argue that it's the case in their situation considering they were two people together in a taxi, but they were drunk. Not sure i'd argue the same about overall crime and dangerous situations, if you're locked in a cab going into an unknown destination and you're under the influence of alcohol then i'd say it's not much of a surprise that the person is concerned and afraid about the situation and fear for their own safety. It's not like the news isn't full of examples of people being stabbed, shot, whatnot for meaningless random altercations.
What are you even trying to argue here? Good grief, this is embarrassing
 
Nice false equivalence. You're the one who said these situations are comparable without any evidence and you still haven't provided any.

There are numerous examples of women being kidnapped, assaulted, murdered, etc by cabbies and police - but apparently they should just ignore that if they're with one other woman? Again, feel free to point out one single instance where men were targeted in this way.

I really have no idea what you're ranting about

I've disagreed with the overall belief that only women have the right to fear for their safety in similar situations.
 
Well, Kerr did hide behind every culture war excuse going. Non white, a woman, gay, privilege, and the best part "I had Sarah Everard on my mind". She was drunk, acted like a cnut and was treated like one. But those things she hid behind have everyone coming out to make excuses for her. You acting now, like you arent all balls deep in the culture war is disingenuous as feck. Because the culture wars, are the only reason to defend someone who threw up in taxi, refused to pay the cleaning, had her girlfriend kick out the windows, and then start mouthing off to cops "Is this a race thing?" and "You are stupid and white".

Remember when Mel Gibson got arrested for being drunk, and started mouthing off anti Jewish shit at the Jewish officer arresting him? Were you there, pearls in hand, chatting a lot of shit about the culture wars? Cos this is exactly like that. Famous person is drunk, acting like a cnut, mouthing off bigoted nonsense, and is rightfully arrested for it. There is no difference. Other than the obvious gay, woman, privilege, Sarah Everard. Everyone else, like your friends, would have taken the slap on the wrist, and went about their day. She wanted to make it culture war bullshit. And here we all are, talking about anything other than what she actually did. And thats 100% on her for making it her defence.

Whats the saying you all love so much? Give your head a wobble? Cos you calling out others for "culture wars" is just laughable. This whole thread is nothing but culture wars shit. And now your all piling on a woman for having an opinion? Why are you all so sexist? ;)
This nailed it but there don`t seem to be enough people on here who understand these points and the ones I made. Context is crucial to having understanding of situations in life that get people stirred up and it`s clear to me that the context of over privileged celebrity sports `stars` is being dismissed as not important or not important enough in this case.

Also I`m an Australian who reads/views Australian media wherever I happen to be. The over hyping of the Matildas and the whole celebrity circus that went into it with politicians and sports commentators who like to make issues and events about their brand of thinking went into overdrive with the team.

As soon as reports came out that Sam Kerr had been the Australian sports star abusing a taxi driver and police officers, these kinds of people and newspapers that like to consider themselves `progressive` jumped in to defend her.

Her and the Matilda`s identities on ethnicity/gender/sexuality grounds were referred to again and again when they were having their run and so apparently nobody could criticise Sam for behaviour that would have drawn a lot of criticism in the case of other sports players who didn`t meet the criteria. Sam`s identiies were referred to after her name was released as the Aussie sports star involved and again used to justify what happened. Even at that early stage.

Generally Australians tend to be cynical of public figures and `celebrities/stars` and the rush to defend Sam was viewed by many as an agenda drive one based on what had been put out in public. Which it was and is. The Matildas started to believe their own celebrity status despite finishing fourth and looking very disinterested in the post Women`s Football Cup matches.

Mary Fowler - who you never hear a bad story about regarding treatment of the public or the `little` people who do the basic everyday jobs to keep everything running - has been called out for complaining about lack of privacy while continually posting her life on social media and using her status as a national team member to make more money like other Matildas including Sam Kerr.

It`s not because she is dark skinned and has a Papua New Guinean mother - and it`s doubtful she`d make that an issue re her putting her and her rugby league boyfriend Nathan Cleary online all the time and getting responses like `I thought you wanted some privacy, why not just enjoy your relationship without having to be on social media all the time?` Nathan`s an indigenous man and also one of the good people who are big names in sport.

She genuinely seems somebody who is a nice person off the pitch and off camera judging by the reaction of people who`ve come into contact with her, is probably the most popular Matilda but she was given a bit of stick for her attitude. And she`s the last public figure you`d expect to do what Sam Kerr did and justify it.
 
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I really have no idea what you're ranting about

I've disagreed with the overall belief that only women have the right to fear for their safety in similar situations.
No one has said that men can't feel threatened. But you are being obtuse if you think that those fears are even remotely comparable in terms of rationality.
 
This nailed it but there don`t seem to be enough people on here who understand these points and the ones I made. Context is crucial to having understanding of situations in life that get people stirred up and it`s clear to me that the context of over privileged celebrity sports `stars` is being dismissed as not important or not important enough in this case.

Also I`m an Australian who reads/views Australian media wherever I happen to be. The over hyping of the Matildas and the whole celebrity circus that went into it with politicians and sports commentators who like to make issues and events about their brand of thinking went into overdrive with the team.

As soon as reports came out that Sam Kerr had been the Australian sports star abusing a taxi driver and police officers, these kinds of people and newspapers that like to consider themselves `progressive` jumped in to defend her. Her and the Matilda`s identities on ethnicity/gender/sexuality grounds were referred to again and again when they were having their run and so apparently nobody could criticise Sam for behaviour that would have drawn a lot of criticism in the case of other sports players who didn`t meet the criteria.

Generally Australians can be cynical of public figures - which is good - and the rush to defend Sam was viewed by many as the usual agenda driven one. Which it was and is. The Matildas started to believe their own celebrity status despite finishing fourth and looking very disinterested in the post Women`s Football Cup matches.

Mary Fowler - who you never hear a bad story about regarding treatment of the public or the `little` people who do the basic everyday jobs to keep everything running - has been called out for complaining about lack of privacy while continually posting her life on social media and using her status as a national team member to make more money like other Matildas including Sam Kerr. She genuinely seems somebody who is a nice person off the pitch and off camera judging by the reaction of people who`ve come into contact with her but she was given a bit of stick for her attitude.
Why the feck are Australian pieces that came out defending her and would subsequently be proved to be correct in a court of law triggering you to this extent?

You probably should take a step back and self-evaluate why you are so angry about your initial perception of what happened being proved incorrect.
 
Why the feck are Australian pieces that came out defending her and would subsequently be proved to be correct in a court of law triggering you to this extent?

You probably should take a step back and self-evaluate why you are so angry about your initial perception of what happened being proved incorrect.
Yes, the title of this thread still applies. Keep ignoring context and facts that you clearly feel threatened by for some reason. It seems time to change your user name and make it shorter. Have a nice life.
 
Yes, the title of this thread still applies. Keep ignoring context and facts that you clearly feel threatened by for some reason. It seems time to change your user name and make it shorter. Have a nice life.
Solid rebuttal to literally nothing. Ah well, it's always a pity to see a snowflake triggered so badly they can't come up with a coherent response. Have a nice bigoted life!
 
No one has said that men can't feel threatened. But you are being obtuse if you think that those fears are even remotely comparable in terms of rationality.

One of their arguments was that he was speeding and swerving which could result in a fatal crash, not sure why a man should be less concerned about that.

Also, rationality generally goes out the window if you're fearing for your own safety and you perceive the situation you're in to be dangerous.

If you want discuss the rationality of their overall situation, they were two women together in a taxi so odds are that they're not going to be the victim of kidnapping. Kerr threw up and some of it accidentally ended up inside the cab, so obviously the taxi driver is going to be overall aggrieved by it. It's not like they don't have countless situations with people throwing up in their taxis and being difficult about it. Being piss drunk it's rather obvious that there's going to be two very different accounts of how their overall behavior was, and being piss drunk it's obvious that the taxi driver is going to be less sympathetic towards them. Being piss drunk and approaching the police about being kidnapped, while the sober taxi driver has complained about the behavior of two drunk people, where one of them threw up in the car and they also tried to break out, it's fairly safe to say that the police wouldn't be a lot more interesting in the drunken story if it was a man telling it. But as i've said, rationality goes out the window and i can completely understand that they feared for their own safety, just as they should be able to easily understand why the people on the other end experienced a vastly different situation.
 
Yes, the title of this thread still applies. Keep ignoring context and facts that you clearly feel threatened by for some reason. It seems time to change your user name and make it shorter. Have a nice life.
That title is gone. You can stop trying to bait people now.
 
Insulting another member
That title is gone. You can stop trying to bait people now.
I`m sorry for you that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and have to put your own trollish twist on things. The thread was started with that title because as soon as it was known that Sam Kerr was the accused, all the apologists especially in the Australian media and politics on the grounds of her supposed exceptionalism started the stanning in the media for her and excusing her before finding out details.

Do I care the title`s been changed? No although to people like you obviously it represents a great triumph, keep thinking like that but you`re another irrational one to avoid grown up discussion with because you can`t have it unless it`s an echo chamber. I see you joined in 2020, I miss the redcafe of past times when there was less turning of other people`s opinions into point scoring and `that`s not my opinion so you`re whatever`. Standards have dropped.
 
I`m sorry for you that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and have to put your own trollish twist on things. The thread was started with that title because as soon as it was known that Sam Kerr was the accused, all the apologists especially in the Australian media and politics on the grounds of her supposed exceptionalism started the stanning in the media for her and excusing her before finding out details.

Do I care the title`s been changed? No although to people like you obviously it represents a great triumph, keep thinking like that but you`re another irrational one to avoid grown up discussion with because you can`t have it unless it`s an echo chamber.
I just removed your spin on the story from the thread title. Despite your very strong opinions, it's not a cut and dry situation, and the title doesn't help in what's already a heated discussion. If you like facts, that there is a pretty clear one.

Also, I didn't add another subtitle and don't think I've tried to interpret the situation in this thread. So that's a lot of projection right there. Well done for the self portrait.
 
I`m sorry for you that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and have to put your own trollish twist on things. The thread was started with that title because as soon as it was known that Sam Kerr was the accused, all the apologists especially in the Australian media and politics on the grounds of her supposed exceptionalism started the stanning in the media for her and excusing her before finding out details.

Do I care the title`s been changed? No although to people like you obviously it represents a great triumph, keep thinking like that but you`re another irrational one to avoid grown up discussion with because you can`t have it unless it`s an echo chamber. I see you joined in 2020, I miss the redcafe of past times when there was less turning of other people`s opinions into point scoring and `that`s not my opinion so you`re whatever`. Standards have dropped.
Oh how we long for a time when women could freely advocate, without comment from other posters, for other women not to be concerned about being subject to depravation of their liberty in a locked car, driven by a man, going who knows where. And then not pipe down like a good little missy when told to by an authority figure.

It is woke gone mad I tell you. Women really have got bit uppity these days.

These days.
 
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Sounds like a smart idea to try and take a driver out while he is driving a vehicel without any evidence at all the driver is out to hurt you?

In what way does attempting to stop the driver make less sense than wiggling out of the window of a moving car?
 
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A lot of defending in here of a person acting like an idiot when drunk, drunk enough to throw up in a cab and encourage criminal damage then being overtly racist.
 
Also the legal system.

I don’t think the legal system had that much sympathy. The judge’s final comments were fairly blunt:

"I take the view her own behaviour contributed significantly to the bringing of this allegation. I don't go behind the jury's verdict but that has a significant bearing on the question of costs." [her team has since, sensibly, confirmed that she won’t be trying to recover any costs]

We don’t get reasoning from the jury but it seems likely that their conclusion was that the conduct wasn’t sufficient to cause the police officer to feel harassed, alarmed or distressed, rather than that they found her actions acceptable.
 
I don’t think the legal system had that much sympathy. The judge’s final comments were fairly blunt:

"I take the view her own behaviour contributed significantly to the bringing of this allegation. I don't go behind the jury's verdict but that has a significant bearing on the question of costs." [her team has since, sensibly, confirmed that she won’t be trying to recover any costs]

We don’t get reasoning from the jury but it seems likely that their conclusion was that the conduct wasn’t sufficient to cause the police officer to feel harassed, alarmed or distressed, rather than that they found her actions acceptable.
Likewise, nobody here is saying she did nothing wrong. Just giving context to her behaviour.
 
In what way does attempting to stop the driver make less sense than wiggling out of the window of a moving car?
Who said that it was necessary to wiggle out of a moving car? You mean they in their drunken state was so sure the driver was going rape or kill them (or both) that they figured they would kill the driver first before he could drive them to an unknown location? Or did they figure if they were violent enough they could convince the cold blooded murdered to stop the cab and let them out?

The problem with their whole story is it requires that we believe 2 drunken perjurers of the following:

1. The driver drove in an erratic manner
2. The driver did not tell them he called the police, nor did they hear that he spoke to the police twice
3. Whether they agreed to pay for the cleaning of the cab or not

Considering both Mewis and Kerr was drunk and was caught being dishonest in court they should have the credibility of a one armed sword fighter! And on top of Kerr was so out of she could not even remember what she had done or said.

Overall seeing people take Kerrs word for it and go by that is one of the most bizarre spectacles I ever come across.
 
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A lot of defending in here of a person acting like an idiot when drunk, drunk enough to throw up in a cab and encourage criminal damage then being overtly racist.

also a lot of defending in here of a taxi driver who wound the window up when a woman is resting her head out the window having thrown up - outside - then speeding through London, not communicating with his customers, not stopping and letting them out when asked to the point of making them scared for their lives; on top of a lot of defending of a police officer who immediately didn't believe the version of events as described by two women, didn't even bother asking the driver any questions, then made up some bullshit racial charge which he only realised he was upset about 11 months later when they had to try and push a charge through.

but that's the caf for you.

the random rants by ryansgirl talking about her own little random vendetta are fecking hilarious though :lol: