Saha is an ungrateful, disloyal bastard

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Raoul said:
I would say that many ABUs have lost respect for him, but then again I'm sure he's not too worried about a bunch of bitter tw@ts who are more concerned that he's going to help United win a few more trophies, than the ethics of players who don't adhere to their contracts.
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Your failure to recognise anyone who has anything bad to say about Man Utd as anything but an 'ABU' sums up my point really. It's not worth trying to reason with you, because you're firmly lost in the stereotypical Man Utd fan's world.

So fine, we'll say it in the blinkered terms you wish to use:

Anyone who thinks Saha behaved in a poor manner is clearly an ABU. :rolleyes:

:wenger:
 
VanNistlerater said:
Didnt Saha offer to see out his contract?
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Dont just pick out one sentence and ignore the rest, VN.

"He signed a contract til 2006 and should be prepared to see it out, continuing to act professionally and do everything in his power to increase the fortunes of Fulham Football Club and not act in a way that is to the detriment of the club."

He didnt do that.
 
Cal said:
Basically you're moaning about him talking to the press, but it's funny how you didn't have the same concerns when one Djibril Cisse made similar comments to the French press. :rolleyes:
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Cisse frequently expressed that he wishes to play for LFC, but at the same time stated that he would respect Auxerre's decisions and continue to work hard for them until they were happy to accept a bid.

Basically, he respected his club's decision and never once threatened them.

Saha screwed Fulham and forced their hand, Cisse didnt.

Take off the blinkers.

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Ok, for all the idiots who cannot count (eg Cal and AnExtremelyStupidMan)...for ONCE AND FOR ALL:

In the last decade and a half, Milan have reached the Champions League Final SIX times, lifting the trophy in 1989, 1990, 1994 and 2003, while being runners-up in 1993 and 1995.

During the same period, Juventus have reached the Champions League Final on FOUR occasions, runners-up in 1997, 1998 and 2003, while being crowned champions in 1996.

During the same period, Manchester United have reached ONE Champions League Final, in 1999, when of course they lifted the trophy.

Spot the difference - 6 final appearances, 4 final appearance and ONE solitary final appearance.

How you can argue with facts is beyond me.

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An Extremely Boring Man said:
You seem really upset by this Saha transfer DJS, you sad git
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:lol:

You're such an idiot :D

'Sad'?

No, i just think the player behaved disgracefully and it seems the vast majority of non Man Utd fans agree.

Everyone but you is 'sad', right?

What a fool you are.

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DJS said:
How you can argue with facts is beyond me.
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No one has argued the fact that AC Milan and Juve have reached more CL finals than United

We're too busy laughing at your stupid statements, like "Juve are better than United at winning the CL"....

The fact is that United is one of the top 4-5 teams in Europe. You can try arguing otherwise - you'll only end up making stupid comments and have people making fun at again. and again. and again....
 
DJS said:
:lol:

You're such an idiot :D

'Sad'?

No, i just think the player behaved disgracefully and it seems the vast majority of non Man Utd fans agree.

Everyone but you is 'sad', right?

What a fool you are.

:lol:
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Well, you seem quite obsessed about it....

You are a sad git. I didn't say anyone else were. There are a few around on this forum. I'm not one of them.
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
The fact is that United is one of the top 4-5 teams in Europe.
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Why then have they only managed to reach one CL final in the period of time i mentioned, when other so called 'lesser' teams have managed more?

You need to back up claims like 'one of the top teams' with on-field performances, which United havent done.
 
DJS said:
Why then have they only managed to reach one CL final in the period of time i mentioned, when other so called 'lesser' teams have managed more?

You need to back up claims like 'one of the top teams' with on-field performances, which United havent done.
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Ok, if United are not one of the top 4-5 teams in Europe, who are?
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
:lol:

AC Milan - no
Juve - no
Bayern - no
Valencia - no
Inter - no
Real - yes
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Juve, Bayern & Valencia have all reached more CL finals than you in the last 15 years.

So on what basis do you say 'no' to them? You can make all the claims in the world, but if the facts dont back them up, you just look stupid.

I'm surprised you even admitted Real Madrid are better than you.
 
DJS said:
I was talking about their respective clubs, as you know.
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Just jabbing.

Well, I don't think United bullied Fulham. They made an offer and Fulham told them how much, then some public posturing by Fulham to make it look like United were forcing their hand. Saha should never have gone public. I do think he would have eventually gotten over it if the move never materialized and gone on to represent Fulham in his best efforts. And if he chose to be transfered this summer elsewhere, it is his right. The club does not have too. Then again, what stops a club from selling off a player against his wishes? If Saha refused to sign a new deal and left in 2006, it's his choice.

Bottom line: Fulham did not have to negotiate and accept United's offer. They could have dragged this out till 31 Jan in order to keep him or repeatedly said no instead of negotiating behind the scenes. The whole thing was a PR fiasco for United that Fulham concocted for public support and showboating. Al Fayed is like the little kid that ratted his friends out to write himself as innocent, but we all know he was actively involved. Al Fayed hates United...although I think it's more about jealousy and envy. His love of money is what brought Saha to United, not United's "bullying" or "tapping up."
 
I agree with some of what you say Mr Marcello, but you seem to have the impression that i'm criticising United, which isnt the case. They didnt do a lot wrong, it's Saha himself who i find disgraceful.

Saha should never have gone public. I do think he would have eventually gotten over it if the move never materialized and gone on to represent Fulham in his best efforts.
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That's basically what i've been saying.

And if he chose to be transfered this summer elsewhere, it is his right. The club does not have too. Then again, what stops a club from selling off a player against his wishes? If Saha refused to sign a new deal and left in 2006, it's his choice.
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Well, if a club wants to sell a player, the player doesnt have to leave - if he chooses not to, the club have to honour the contract they signed with him, just as if a club rejects a bid, a player should accept it and continue to honour the contract - NOT go to the press and undermine the club's decision, as Saha did. He is of course entitled to see out the deal and leave for free in 2006, but that shouldnt be used as a threatening device, and certainly not in the media.

Bottom line: Fulham did not have to negotiate and accept United's offer. They could have dragged this out till 31 Jan in order to keep him or repeatedly said no instead of negotiating behind the scenes.
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Once Saha did his spoilt brat bit, it was obvious that his lack of professionalism, loyalty and dignity had made it a problem for Fulham to keep him. They were hardly going to be keen on keeping a disruptive, disloyal brat, were they?

He's Anelka the 2nd.

His love of money is what brought Saha to United, not United's "bullying" or "tapping up."
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I doubt if he'd been so vocal in the press if he hadnt already been told that United would follow it up for him and ensure the move went ahead.
 
DJS said:
Cisse frequently expressed that he wishes to play for LFC, but at the same time stated that he would respect Auxerre's decisions and continue to work hard for them until they were happy to accept a bid.

Basically, he respected his club's decision and never once threatened them.

Saha screwed Fulham and forced their hand, Cisse didnt.

Take off the blinkers.

:wenger:
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Yes and Saha frequently expressed a wish to play for United but at the same time said that if refused he would accept the decision and leave on a free 2 years later, ie: not sign another contract. So how is that not the same as Cisse? Blinkers? Stones and greenhouses? :confused:
 
DJS said:
Juve, Bayern & Valencia have all reached more CL finals than you in the last 15 years.

So on what basis do you say 'no' to them? You can make all the claims in the world, but if the facts dont back them up, you just look stupid.

I'm surprised you even admitted Real Madrid are better than you.
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What's what a club did 10-15 years ago got to do with how good the team currently is? :confused:
 
Gutsy said:
Yes and Saha frequently expressed a wish to play for United but at the same time said that if refused he would accept the decision and leave on a free 2 years later, ie: not sign another contract. So how is that not the same as Cisse? Blinkers? Stones and greenhouses? :confused:
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Where did Saha say he'd 'accept' the decision?

Continually THREATENING his club, eg "Sell me NOW, OR i WILL go for ZERO euros" is NOT 'accepting' or respecting the decision.
 
Well, if a club wants to sell a player, the player doesnt have to leave - if he chooses not to, the club have to honour the contract they signed with him,
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what feckin dream world are you living in? Your whole case or point rests on this because otherwise you wouldnt be consistent. Havent utd fans been hearing it for months and years that fergie the bad guy sold stam and beckham (who even offered to play for free)?
How many players can you name that refused to be sold and had a future at their club without some major changes in the manager department?
 
numlock said:
what feckin dream world are you living in? Your whole case or point rests on this because otherwise you wouldnt be consistent. Havent utd fans been hearing it for months and years that fergie the bad guy sold stam and beckham (who even offered to play for free)?
How many players can you name that refused to be sold and had a future at their club without some major changes in the manager department?
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:wenger:

The point is that it's an option.

I believe we'd accepted a bid for Heskey from Boro, but he rejected the move...though, i doubt he'll have a major future at LFC somehow.

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An Extremely Boring Man said:
:lol:

AC Milan - no
Juve - no
Bayern - no
Valencia - no
Inter - no
Real - yes
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Real, Milan, Juve, Utd, Bayern, Valencia. The top six teams imo during the last decade in that ranking.
 
Your argument that reaching the final in the last 3 years makes you one of the biggest competitors in Europe is flawed.

For example, Leverkusen, are they one of the main competitors?

Id say reaching the semi finals is being a main competitor.

Also I think its fair to say alot of teams saw United as one of the main runners, last year atleast.
 
VanNistlerater said:
Your argument that reaching the final in the last 3 years makes you one of the biggest competitors in Europe is flawed.

For example, Leverkusen, are they one of the main competitors?

Id say reaching the semi finals is being a main competitor.

Also I think its fair to say alot of teams saw United as one of the main runners, last year atleast.
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You're entitled to your opinion.

I only used the last 3 years as ExtremelyTwattishMan wasnt happy with the last 15 years as an example.

The fact is, bold claims about being one of the best need to be backed up with on field success & records, and frankly, your record in the CL over the past decade/15 years/3 years doesnt match up to that of Juve and Milan - which is the comparison that was being made in the first place, because i said that i rated Juve and Milan's chances of winning this year's CL higher than Man Utd's.
 
Suedesi said:
Real, Milan, Juve, Utd, Bayern, Valencia. The top six teams imo during the last decade in that ranking.
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We've got the second best record, behind Real... (points totalled up - games won and drawn)

Shame the CL....isn't a proper league.

Our record in the knocked out stages hasn't been good at all...... which needs addressing.
 
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