Ruud van Nistelrooy | Leaves United

Drifter said:
What is it that Ruud has that ETH did not? Whatever it is, it's working
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Good q. In my view the tactical detail … while it still (pre Amorim) underlies the approach, had become a bit onerous for the players. Rudd made training fun. I also think he benefited from the tactical structures of ETH. So kind of a free shot. Also he had a good emotional bond with players and fans.
 
Same formation, same players, not any really big or obvious differences in style - not like when Ole took over for Mourinho, for example. But suddenly our performances are where you'd expect them to be. Okay, Leicester isn't a great team, but how often have we beaten weak teams by several goals without ever really looking threatened, these last two years? Very rarely.
 
Thanks Ruud. He's done the bare minimum and even that was better than anything Ten Hag could muster. That Bowen penalty has ended up doing us a massive favour. A draw instead and the bald one would still be in a job.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Why couldn’t RVN effect this change as assistant to ETH? Or any of the other staff for that matter. Was Erik THAT resistant to input from his coaches?!
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He’s well known for being incredibly stubborn.
 
Good job Ruud. Made it an easier place for Amorim to come into. 4 pts of 3rd. Gonna be an exciting journey with Amorim in charge
 
Grateful for the job Ruud has done while we wait for Ruben.

I love Ruud, one of my favourite ever United players, but I hate this sentimental shite that we should keep him on. The Scousers did this in the 90s when they were trying to recreate the famous "Boot Room" of the glory years. They hired Gérard Houllier as manager but kept Roy Evans on as a Co-manager because they didn't have the heart to get rid of an old Boot Room boy. Farcical.

I also hate the argument that he "could be a bridge between Amorim and the players".

F**k that! That's the last thing Amorim needs, players moaning in Ruud's ear if they're not happy with him. And if results aren't great in his first few months, the cameras scanning to Ruud's face every 2 minutes. Nah, Ruben doesn't need that.

Let Ruben and his boys come in and allow them get on with the job without any unnecessary sideshows to deal with.
 
I don't see the argument for letting him go. Obviously, he shouldn't be assistant coach. Amorim's right hand man should be someone he's hand picked.

But he's clearly a very experienced and well-liked member of the staff. Having Ruud working with our forwards is a blessing. Surely there aren't many that are better suited!

Ruud has said that he's happy to stay and help at Utd. If he's prepared to take on a coaching role, he should be very welcome here
 
As a man who loves the club, he handled this transitional period really well, and we should really be grateful for that.
I'd love if we could have him around, but whether he stays or not should be Amorim's decision.
 
Oscar Bonavena said:
Grateful for the job Ruud has done while we wait for Ruben.

I love Ruud, one of my favourite ever United players, but I hate this sentimental shite that we should keep him on. The Scousers did this in the 90s when they were trying to recreate the famous "Boot Room" of the glory years. They hired Gérard Houllier as manager but kept Roy Evans on as a Co-manager because they didn't have the heart to get rid of an old Boot Room boy. Farcical.

I also hate the argument that he "could be a bridge between Amorim and the players".

F**k that! That's the last thing Amorim needs, players moaning in Ruud's ear if they're not happy with him. And if results aren't great in his first few months, the cameras scanning to Ruud's face every 2 minutes. Nah, Ruben doesn't need that.

Let Ruben and his boys come in and allow them get on with the job without any unnecessary sideshows to deal with.
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100% this.

This way of thinking is the only way for the club to move forward.

All this “gets the club” way of thinking has to stop and while Ruud has done a decent job of holding the fort until the new manager starts he hardly knows the club.
He left in 2006 and returned in 2024 but the club is in a totally different place now and probably about 99% of the staff will have changed.

New broom and all that.
 
AnotherLondonManc said:
I don't see the argument for letting him go. Obviously, he shouldn't be assistant coach. Amorim's right hand man should be someone he's hand picked.

But he's clearly a very experienced and well-liked member of the staff. Having Ruud working with our forwards is a blessing. Surely there aren't many that are better suited!

Ruud has said that he's happy to stay and help at Utd. If he's prepared to take on a coaching role, he should be very welcome here
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I like Ruud but if he’s that great with the strikers surely they would improve this season? It’s our weakest area on the pitch.

As for results since Ruud came in. Beaten Leicester twice, PAOK and drawn with Chelsea. He did the most blatantly obvious tactic of playing 2 DM so our midfield wasn’t carved open with every attack. He’s steadied the ship but I hardly think that’s a reason for him to be around if the new manager doesn’t want him.
 
Ekeke said:
Like our recent history with new managers, Ruud's immediate results have been good and he couldnt have done a lot more. Should continue when Amorim comes in and also does well as the new manager

After that? Then we'll see.
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We have a history of interim managers doing well, and when the new manager comes in the players revert to being idiots again. Fingers crossed it’ll be different this time.
 
Moston Red said:
We have a history of interim managers doing well, and when the new manager comes in the players revert to being idiots again. Fingers crossed it’ll be different this time.
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I think its a bit longer than that. Mourinho, Solskjaer and ETH all managed a good finish in the league. The problem was that they all fell off a cliff afterwards to the point where doing well at a previous point didnt matter anymore and we were forced to change.

If it follows the same pattern again Amorim will come in and do well with the previous regime's players and first or second season get us back in the top 4 and then when he has hundreds of millions of £ to sign his own players we'll struggle. Thats the current pattern.
 
He did a great job. For that we have to be grateful.
I wish him well in his future pursuits.(sounds like it could be a club statement)
 
He’s done a great job since taking the interim role. Fixed the glaring error of EtH and solidified the midfield. Hope he stays on in some capacity under Amorim, though doubt it will be as an assistant. He’s clearly passionate about the club and Amorim could probably do with someone that knows the club inside-out. We clearly need more of a threat upfront, but RvN had only the cards he was dealt to work with. Always a legend imo
 
Ekeke said:
I think its a bit longer than that. Mourinho, Solskjaer and ETH all managed a good finish in the league. The problem was that they all fell off a cliff afterwards to the point where doing well at a previous point didnt matter anymore and we were forced to change.

If it follows the same pattern again Amorim will come in and do well with the previous regime's players and first or second season get us back in the top 4 and then when he has hundreds of millions of £ to sign his own players we'll struggle. Thats the current pattern.
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In fairness to OGS - it took him well over 2 full season to fall off a cliff
 
Thank you RVN, he’s done a great job since coming in.

IMO he quickly fixed the one of the most obvious issues we had which was midfield by using common sense. Every one and their dog (aside from ETH) could see the midfield was too easy to get through. Playing Case and Ugarte together definitely solved that problem.

It would have been interesting to see what RVN would have done had Mainoo been fit as I think Mainoo as a double pivot with one of Case or Ugarte is too weak for the EPL.

Let’s see what Ruben does….
 
Been great having Ruud as interim. Forgot all about ETH. Football is back to being kinda exciting again
 
Im glad for him that he was able to go out on a high (if he is to leave) and cap off his United career properly to a certain extent. Having left under less than ideal circumstances (which he admitted) getting a standing ovation at full time after a win is a much better and fitting ending.
 
Josep Dowling said:
I like Ruud but if he’s that great with the strikers surely they would improve this season? It’s our weakest area on the pitch.
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I don't think we can know, really. Was RVN even working with the strikers? Even if he was, it's a pretty small sample size as we only have two, both young, one just arrived and isn't a natural striker and the other missed a big part of the summer and of the start of the season through injury.

At the same time, I also don't buy into the idea that RVN would be a good striker's coach just because he was a good striker.
 
Amir said:
I don't think we can know, really. Was RVN even working with the strikers? Even if he was, it's a pretty small sample size as we only have two, both young, one just arrived and isn't a natural striker and the other missed a big part of the summer and of the start of the season through injury.

At the same time, I also don't buy into the idea that RVN would be a good striker's coach just because he was a good striker.
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We know he took over "offensive automation" training in pre season, but can only assume whether or not that was his remit in the campaign. I'd assume so, but he also has shit to work with. We created a lot more chances than our goal tally suggested.
 
It was wonderful to see him on the touchline. After Becks left, he was my favourite player growing up. You can really see how much he loves the club and the fans, and I hope we get to see him back at the club someday, if this is the end for now.
 
The Hilton said:
I think a lot of perspectives have been coloured by the good results we've had, for me Ruud has been a continuation of Ten Hag; we look just as open and vulnerable, the main difference is that we've been able to take our chances a bit better, particularly the lower percentage ones from outside and around the penalty area.
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We don’t nearly look as open than we did under Ten Hag. No way.
 
Amorim needs to start a fresh. He will be bringing in his own coaching staff. If he finds a place for Ruud, I feel it will be forced and potentially upset the way he and his team want to work.

Best to led Ruud move on and hopefully get himself a managerial job.
 
Ruud played it smart and sensible, kept us compact with two solid midfielders, got the best players in their best positions... really simple tactics, but it just wasn't something ETH was willing to do in the short term to get results or even save his job. He compromised in the cup final, sure, but he just had no intention of building a team that plays any other than his own way.

The mandate as United is to build a team to dominate, and Ruud/Ole or anyone else I believe needs to prove they can do that elsewhere (like ETH and Amorim did) to deserve the job. I think it shows a lot of progression honestly, that we didn't just hand off the job to Ruud like we did Ole. The sample size is just too small, as much as I'd love to see what he can do with it. I really hope he stays on and keeps learning his trade under Amorim this season, as he has potential.
 
gaffs said:
Amorim needs to start a fresh. He will be bringing in his own coaching staff. If he finds a place for Ruud, I feel it will be forced and potentially upset the way he and his team want to work.

Best to led Ruud move on and hopefully get himself a managerial job.
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Agreed
 
VP89 said:
To me it reads like hel relieve RvN of his duties.
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It does sound like that , he has his own coaches that he knows well and work well with him , legend of the club or not can't see him keeping Ruud on. No place for sentimentality at this level.

I think Ruud will go on to be become a good manger but not here , well not initially anyway.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
We didn’t look as open, no one can look as open as we did under ETH.
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Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
We don’t nearly look as open than we did under Ten Hag. No way.
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We absolutely do though - Leicester had a higher xG than us today for example (although both teams were below 1), their reserve team put 2 past us in Ruud's first match in charge, we let PAOK have a couple of great chances, and were hanging on against Chelsea.

The idea that he came in and made us more solid is just wishful thinking, the only real difference is that we've scored the chances (and non chances) that we were missing under ETH.

Hopefully Amorim can get us more organised!
 
jem said:
Good results tend to do that and putting some trust in players like Amad and Ugarte is hardly a continuation of Ten Hag.
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Ruud may have mixed up the team a little, but in terms of our approach to the game, and our obvious deficiencies (such as being wide open), it's been absolutely more of the same.
 
He did the one thing we begged ten Hagg to do for 2 seasons and we look much more solid. Well done Rudd for making the midfield adjustments we were crying out for.
 
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