Russian War Crimes in Ukraine

I cant bring myself to open some of these spoilers. Even the descriptions are are beyond horrific :( Don't think those commiting these can be classified as members of homo sapiens.
 
calodo2003 said:
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Source? Audio/video clip? I'm sorry but in this age nothing should be trusted at face value (no matter how convincing). Just because some obscure twitter handle says something, doesn't make it so.
 
Jotun said:
Source? Audio/video clip? I'm sorry but in this age nothing should be trusted at face value (no matter how convincing). Just because some obscure twitter handle says something, doesn't make it so.
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I’m gonna go out on a limb & call it true. Call me crazy.

Verbiage seems to be their MO. The loon said the following…

 
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ThierryFabregas said:
I really wish NATO would see genocide as a reason to go in and dominate the air and blitz Russia completely knocking out their military capability. Knock them out of Ukraine and Crimea. It won't happen because of Nuclear Weapons but unless he's on his death bed Putin won't want that anymore than anyone else. And NATO probably take the Russian army out within 48 hours
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I don't think Nuclear weapons are the only reason. Right now this is an offensive war, and while it is certainly spinned in Russia as defensive and existentialist, eventually people will start asking questions is Ukraine really worth it. Once NATO gets involved directly, Putin will claim, see I was right they mean to destroy us, and it will become a defensive war for Russia. Which means a total and full mobilization, and the roles kinda get reversed. We become the aggressor, losing resources on logistics and Russia is a defender.

Ofcourse, there is also a nuclear bombs issue. But if we aim for regime change, we should not give Putin more opportunities to entrench himself in Russia.

And yes, I'd be happy for USA to roll in and kick the Russians out. I'm just afraid it isn't that simple.
 
How the feck can a man even get aroused to rape a 3 year old child? And then even once that happens, how do they not immediately shoot themselves in the fecking head?
 
Carolina Red said:
How the feck can a man even get aroused to rape a 3 year old child? And then even once that happens, how do they not immediately shoot themselves in the fecking head?
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I have no idea what you're referring to, nor do I plan to investigate further. :(
 
Carolina Red said:
How the feck can a man even get aroused to rape a 3 year old child? And then even once that happens, how do they not immediately shoot themselves in the fecking head?
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The unfortunate thing is that you probably should have pluralized ’man.’
 
calodo2003 said:
Raping a three year old.

I will experience glee going forward when I hear about any Russian losses in the war.
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I've read many things about war crimes in past conflicts, but that is the worst of the worst bar what the Nazis did to ethnic minorities during WW2. Just as someone wrote before I do, those soldiers are fecking animals.

My level of sympathy for Russian soldiers and pro-war sympathizers is non-existent now after everything i've seen. They can all get thrown into a volcano for all I care.
 
No doubt they will find the evidence for war crimes but Putin and his cronies will walk away scot-free, they won't even acknowledge they're at war let alone war crimes.
 
Putin will walk away from the war and everything else untouched.
 
hp88 said:
No doubt they will find the evidence for war crimes but Putin and his cronies will walk away scot-free, they won't even acknowledge they're at war let alone war crimes.
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Then sanctions will not be lifted up for as long as Putin and his cronies still live or remain in charge. Same thing happened to Serbia until Milosevic and his pals got the boot from within.
 
Can't even imagine the type of fecked up mongrel you have to be to harm civilians, especially those scared shitless in a warzone.

calodo2003 said:
Jesus…

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The picture surfaced a while ago, then claimed to be from the basement of a building that had been used as a base by the Azov Battalion.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Will any politician ever be able to say 'never again' or 'lest we forget' and keep a straight face?
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Genocides happen all the time and have been happening since the holocaust. It's a pretty empty slogan at this point.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yep, hate to say but "I called it"... It was obvious what their true intentions were, and it was all too similar to what Bosnians experienced in the 90's. Russians don't believe that Ukrainians have a right to exist essentially, and want them gone. People who thought this was about resources or whatever... Bollocks. Its purely about some people who have a deep hatred for an identity and feeling like they are intruders on something that is his right. Its horrible to see but unfortunately, not surprising.
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i would partially disagree it's purely about hatred for Ukrainian identity, though Putin himself surely does indeed hate it. I feel it's far more to do with the threat of liberal democracy flourishing in Ukraine and their moves westward undermining his sense of Russian exceptionalism/ownership of the region, he wants to be seen as a great historic leader that restored parts of lost empire if he can get away with it.

The extra depressing thing for me is that by the 90s during the socialist breakup era and when Yugoslav wars were going on, the levels of ethnic and/or nationalist tensions between Russia and Ukraine, and resulting political views that stem from such were very tame and more on the fringes of society compared to what was happening in former Yugoslavia. I remember many discussions with friends where we were all glad and too sure the majority of people , while still containing many nationalists and those with bigoted views had moved beyond that level of holding onto historical injustices and ethnic/religious prejudice by our breakup. utterly foolish in hindsight, and with less than 20 years of Putin's exceptionalist propaganda towards Ukraine, here we are with similar scenes from those wars.Bigoted opinions to Ukrainians and political views like it not being a legitimate country became especially far more widespread since Euromaidan/crimea events and ramping up of propaganda.
 
hp88 said:
No doubt they will find the evidence for war crimes but Putin and his cronies will walk away scot-free, they won't even acknowledge they're at war let alone war crimes.
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It didn't happen, it was faked or if it did Ukraine did it.
 
No pictures of dead bodies please as per the other Ukraine thread. I've delete a few I saw but please let us know if there are others.
 
I think the issue is that this is a thread highlighting the war crimes that are going on & the majority of tweets / news items will have such pictures. Do we now simply put the links, rather than the tweets.

Would it be possible to perhaps change the title to note "Explicitly Over-18s Only" / "Will Contain Distressing Images"?
 
Wibble said:
What do you mean? Did you miss the memo?
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I got the memo of the other thread, I guess I assumed wrong but I figured the purpose of this thread was to discuss war crimes including the actual context, while keeping it separate for the sensitive among us.

You can't have a proper honest discussion of these events while at the same time censoring them. I'd be curious what reason you guys have for that decision?

If BBC can do it I'm sure redcafe can.
 
Simbo said:
I got the memo of the other thread, I guess I assumed wrong but I figured the purpose of this thread was to discuss war crimes including the actual context, while keeping it separate for the sensitive among us.

You can't have a proper honest discussion of these events while at the same time censoring them. I'd be curious what reason you guys have for that decision?

If BBC can do it I'm sure redcafe can.
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Discussion can happen. If you need to see pictures of dead people there are lots of places to find those.
 
Wibble said:
Discussion can happen. If you need to see pictures of dead people there are lots of places to find those.
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I don't have a fetish for dead bodies if that's what your alluding to. I just strongly disagree with hiding Putin's crimes, it only helps the bad guys.
 
Simbo said:
I don't have a fetish for dead bodies if that's what your alluding to. I just strongly disagree with hiding Putin's crimes, it only helps the bad guys.
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Why would I think you had a fetish? It is just something we have as a rule on here.
 
Brwned said:
Who's the author? That's pretty wild...
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Not rightly sure. Links are both dead now and access to the entire newspaper seems to be blocked (at least for me). Think he's been described (on twitter) as everything from a political *********** to a film maker to a political strategist working for politicians both in Russia and Ukraine. Don't think he's been listed as being particularly influential but seems noteworthy that he's permitted the space to write such an op-ed through an official Kremlin news agency.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
I've read many things about war crimes in past conflicts, but that is the worst of the worst bar what the Nazis did to ethnic minorities during WW2. Just as someone wrote before I do, those soldiers are fecking animals.

My level of sympathy for Russian soldiers and pro-war sympathizers is non-existent now after everything i've seen. They can all get thrown into a volcano for all I care.
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Have you read about Unit 731? That's also particularly grim.

I genuinely have no idea how people can do this to each other
 
Completely get why ye don't want those pictures here.

At the same time, a huge amount of the the discussion and awareness of the ongoing war crimes is being actively driven those social media posts that share that imagery.

Given how directly ingrained social media is in the coverage and reportage of this war, with mainstream news outlets and even Ukrainian government officials directly sharing these images, I'm not sure it's really possible to avoid sharing that content without also sidelining this thread from the ongoing discussion quite a bit.

Maybe that's a broader issue between having this discussion on a forum vs having it on social media where these images are widely shared. But then I'm not sure how much value (either in discussion or simply staying informed) there then is in having a dedicated war crimes thread.
 
Mogget said:
Have you read about Unit 731? That's also particularly grim.

I genuinely have no idea how people can do this to each other
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Yes, I did. I should have added them to the list.

What irks me the most about the situation in Ukraine is how we have seen it all from the 1930s/1940s followed by a short revival of such nasty shit in the 1990s (Bosnia, Rwanda, Kosovo) and yet we have now a belligerent country allowing their troops to sink this low in 2022.
 
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Simbo said:
I don't have a fetish for dead bodies if that's what your alluding to. I just strongly disagree with hiding Putin's crimes, it only helps the bad guys.
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I posted the front pages of 2 newspapers, DN (Sweden) and Liberation ( France) that chose to publish these pictures. The post got deleted.


The Swedish paper had a text under that means this:

“We are generally reluctant to publish pictures of injured or dead people.

But sometimes we make exceptions. Sometimes we need to show what reality looks like, when words are not enough. In Butja at the beginning of April 2022, it looks like this.

The brutality cannot be ignored, and what took place here will be written into history. That's why we publish pictures today that are upsetting to look at.”

You can’t disagree with this. Censoring the pictures entirely is not a good policy. It just makes the tragedy more distant and abstract.
 
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