Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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NATO was never going to go in direct confrontation with Russia over a non member state, the Ukraine knew this, we all knew this.
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Ah the morally correct westers warmongers, starting countless wars all over the world in the last 70+ years, outraged over Russia sorting out it's doorstep. The only tragic thing here is innocent people dying, Slavic brothers killing each other, while the US makes a buck.
Serious sanctions would seriously hurt the west too and that's why we would probably rather give them Ukraine than hurt ourselves. I think Putin has calculated all the risks, all sanctions. He is not stupid or mental as some believe. They prepared for it for a long long time. We also had some time to prepare but instead of becoming less reliant on Russia, we somehow managed to become more reliant. I think we allowed it to reach a point where no sanctions will stop them.
I'm pretty sure his point was to make them a member state.
Do we have any Ukrainian posters on here by the way? Although I would think that they would’ve already posted something here (if they wanted to).
I can't believe Putin really did this. Unbelievable.
Which Russia would have never allowed.
I initially thought the same but there's been a surprising show of unity in congress on this issue I thought I would never see again in my lifetime. Sure, Trump and his acolytes are singing a different tune but for the time being they are out of power.
What are they going to do, invade Ukraine?
Depressing, but true. Sanctions were just the pricing up of Crimea, Donbas, now the rest of Ukraine.
Lebron james will bring them on special delivery
Well fecking hell. Russia the pariah. Unbelievable that he has brainwashed so much of the Russian population into going along with this. Bleak times.
Pray for UkrainePretty much what they are doing now and since 8 years - fill the country with separatists, invade from within and then generate a conflict.
Make no mistake, Putin have planned this for a long, long time. It's not like Ukraine can become a NATO state overnight.
Honestly didn't think it would get to this point.
Sanctions just aren't enough, unfortunately the only way to stop this is troops on the ground it would appear, however that risks dragging most of Europe and possibly the world into another war.
It would appear that Putin has taken advantage of the instability across the world in dramatic and decisive fashion
Sanctions just aren't enough, unfortunately the only way to stop this is troops on the ground it would appear, however that risks dragging most of Europe and possibly the world into another war.
It would appear that Putin has taken advantage of the instability across the world in dramatic and decisive fashion
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is it normal for (what seems like) civilian traffic to be around while military vehicles from a different country are going past? Seems a bit surreal.
What could Ukraine do? Nothing was ever going to be enough. You have the ability watch the speeches and the see the graphics. Bit by bit, Ukraine was going to be broken up.
Devastating news for the people of Ukraine
If we lived in a non-nuclear world, part of me would want Putin to go too far and shell some base in Poland, maybe it's a bloodlust on my part or out of frustration. People who think the US is a declining military power would be in for a real surprise, no one does shock and awe better and the Russians would be finished in a fortnight. We would do Putin like Saddam in such a non-nuclear world. But in reality it shouldn't ever come to that with nukes and the fact that the Russian people aren't our enemy, just one insane individual.
yeh, initially there were reports of amphibious landings in Odessa and Mariupol, it appears that was disinfo
He wasn't just trolling supporting Brexiteers, Trump and any halfwit politician (in other western countries) that made any sort of wave in the west. This has been long in the making.
Russia is all big and strong until the real gangster (US) walks through the door. They don’t want any part of the United States.
Russia has 145 million people and 1.7 trillion GPA.
The European Union has 450 million people and 17 trillion GPA.
And yet, it is the EU that seems to be weak and helpless. How is this possible?
The whole problem was caused because Ukraine wanted to be a part of Europe and not a part of Russia, and Europe did nothing substantial to prevent the invasion.
The European Union has 450 million people and 17 trillion GPA.
And yet, it is the EU that seems to be weak and helpless. How is this possible?
The whole problem was caused because Ukraine wanted to be a part of Europe and not a part of Russia, and Europe did nothing substantial to prevent the invasion.
Exactly
Hopefully people will start valuing America more. Say about them what you want but it's the US military that is a counter balance against all the world's true evil.
Europe has more to lose.
This is a win for NATO either way. And it's 100% calculated imo. Never mattered if Russia invaded or not, the fear of Russia in the east was the boost NATO needed to have a surge in power / importance. Other nations will join in mass now. Ukraine was an unfortunate sacrifice.
All I am saying is when the world turns to shit and their is a big bad guy (Russia) or a problem the one the world turns to for help is America. The country people ask “what now?” To is the USA.
Strongest military in the world and the only country Russia won’t step too. I don’t think any country would even dare to attempt to invade the US.
Watching the flapping from the UK, the EU and the US to this crisis is disillusioning me entirely with the West.
How many revolutions did Ukraine have? Every time someone doesn’t like something in Ukraine there seems to be talk of a revolution. Not that I support last dude whom was pro Russian — he was a literal rapist. But then Kuchma had a journo whacked. And pro western people all ended falling out that badly that they they ended up switching sides. Tymoshenko got pally with Putin. I mean it’s a total shit so what I guess I’m trying to say; I’m not forgetting EuroMiadan - I’m literally confused by whom is good and whom is bad. Seems like they’re all fecking bad. Of course Putin exploited all that.
Guy in the car confirms that they are already in Kharkiv.
The 17 trillion economy has more to lose than the 1.7 million economy? In what universe?
Also Russians seem to be prepared to die over this.
Europeans not so much. (which isn't a bad thing in my book, no one will survive ww3 so better not be part of starting it).
How about you read the thread instead of acting like a twat?
I see Nuclear war mentioned time and time again for any intervention on our part.
Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.
it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.
it’s weak
Do we really think that would happen? Or is that just an excuse for not doing anything?
Personally I think the latter, Putin Knows….NATO knows, Nuclear war would be devastating for both side and the planet itself, it would be annihilation and I couldn’t see anyone choosing that option because of that reason, and because of what we saw in Hiroshima.
it’s an excuse imo to not intervene militarily, or to declare Ukraine as a NATO country.
it’s weak
As many have said, there is no way the West would allow this to escalate into another European war. Putin knew this all along. The problem now is that US/UK/Euro leaders look weak in the eyes of the world, especially after their hardline rhetoric. There will be big divisions within countries and between countries.
Covid united us, Russia divided us.
Covid united us, Russia divided us.
Listening to them talk is even more heartbreaking.
Russians can live in poverty, they are well prepared for this. Europe - not so much.