Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

harms said:
The time for such comparisons, if there ever was any, is long gone. Even the fact that the WW2 had actually happened means that the current situation won’t be able to go exactly the same way, it’s existence in our past obviously affects our decisions drastically.

Not to say that the parallels between Nazi Germany and Putin’s Russia are very far fetched though.

As for the more relevant news — it looks like the shit is finally going down… hopefully we’ll hear good news tomorrow, the Ukrainians are understandably not telling much and listening to Russian sources (they’ve already said that the counter-offensive has failed) is simply pointless.
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Agree with this. If there is a comparison to be made with ww2 I’d say that at the outset of this conflict, Russia-Ukraine was more like Germany-Poland. And the difference is that the West has been on to this scenario for the last 10 years (no doubt with Poland 1939 in mind). This has led to years of planning and improving the Ukrainian army, and a very fast and strong resupply at the start of the invasion, meaning that Russia’s invasion has not followed the same pattern as Germany’s did)
 
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Formula One CEO Stefano Domenicali said the sport has no plans to hold future races in Russia.

The Russian Grand Prix was scheduled to be held in Sochi this year before moving to Igora Drive in St. Petersburg in 2023, but F1 canceled the race after Russia invaded Ukraine. Domenicali said the sport has no intention of returning to the country.

"I've always believed that you should never say never," Domenicali told Sport Bild magazine, per GrandPrix.com. "But in this case, I can promise for sure -- we will no longer negotiate with them.

"There will be no more racing in Russia."

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/34448352/formula-1-ceo-no-more-racing-russia
 
Re-tweeted by Higgins (Bellingcat founder). The bushes picture is killing me. :lol:

 
the hea said:
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My goodness, those would be seriously staggering numbers if true. Can't help but feel slighly sceptical. Will be interesting to see if the UN and such corroborate this.

This was reported in April:
LVIV, Ukraine (AP) — The mayor of the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol said Monday that more than 10,000 civilians have died in the Russian siege of his city, and that the death toll could surpass 20,000, with corpses that were “carpeted through the streets.”

Speaking by phone Monday to The Associated Press, Mayor Vadym Boychenko also said Russian forces brought mobile cremation equipment to the city to dispose of the bodies, and he accused Russian forces of refusing to allow humanitarian convoys into the city in an attempt to conceal the carnage.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/over-10000-civilians-killed-in-mariupol-siege-mayor-says
 
VorZakone said:
My goodness, those would be seriously staggering numbers if true. Can't help but feel slighly sceptical. Will be interesting to see if the UN and such corroborate this.

This was reported in April:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/over-10000-civilians-killed-in-mariupol-siege-mayor-says
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was true, Russia practically razed the city.

Then you have a situation where the Russian soldiers had to fight a stubborn defender with pressure from above, would not surprise me if they took out those frustrations on the defenseless.
 
the hea said:
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I knew there's a large chuck of casualties missing from occupied areas in the overall estimates, but that's much worse than I expected.

The claim is 87k documented, plus 26.7k undocumented in the mass graves etc, plus the undiscovered bodies still not found under the rubble.
 
A little off topic but:
EU member has regained its independence from Soviet occupation in a bloody and tragic battle against the tanks sent by him and she comes up with that?
I still can’t believe the ignorance of leaders in the western european countries. Not to mention the chernobyl disaster, him celebrating crimean occupation, etc.
 
Rajma said:
A little off topic but:
EU member has regained its independence from Soviet occupation in a bloody and tragic battle against the tanks sent by him and she comes up with that?
I still can’t believe the ignorance of leaders in the western european countries. Not to mention the chernobyl disaster, him celebrating crimean occupation, etc.
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Nonetheless he made it possible that the wall through Germany could be opened peacefully and that the reunification could happen.

Yes it went different in your country, but it's too easy to dismiss Germany as a "Western European country" when it was partially under Soviet control just the same way Poland etc were.

The way this went was the first step of getting Eastern and Western European countries into the same fold and about 15 years later you joined as well.

Gorbachev definitely didn't do the right thing in every case, but here he opened the path to the big European Union we know today.

Edit: and I think it's not that offtopic, as the German contribution is often discussed here: while the way the iron curtain was opened lead the way to close ties to Eastern European countries it also lead to Germany not having problems including Russia in that. So I guess it's safe to say if Gorbachev had tried to stop the collapse of the GDR by force, Germany wouldn't have built such close ties to Russia as it did that quickly.
 
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stefan92 said:
Nonetheless he made it possible that the wall through Germany could be opened peacefully and that the reunification could happen.

Yes it went different in your country, but it's too easy to dismiss Germany as a "Western European country" when it was partially under Soviet control just the same way Poland etc were.

The way this went was the first step of getting Eastern and Western European countries into the same fold and about 15 years later you joined as well.

Gorbachev definitely didn't do the right thing in every case, but here he opened the path to the big European Union we know today.

Edit: and I think it's not that offtopic, as the German contribution is often discussed here: while the way the iron curtain was opened lead the way to close ties to Eastern European countries it also lead to Germany not having problems including Russia in that. So I guess it's safe to say if Gorbachev had tried to stop the collapse of the GDR by force, Germany wouldn't have built such close ties to Russia as it did that quickly.
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He didn’t do it peacefully as evident by the massacres in multiple countries at that time but he soon realized that bankrupt soviet union won’t be able to hold it together anyway while the soviet imperialist ideology never left him.
 
Rajma said:
He didn’t do it peacefully as evident by the massacres in multiple countries at that time but he soon realized that bankrupt soviet union won’t be able to hold it together anyway while the soviet imperialist ideology never left him.
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As I said it was peaceful in Germany and of course that shaped the General perception here.

I think I acknowledged that it didn't went the same way in other countries :)
 
stefan92 said:
As I said it was peaceful in Germany and of course that shaped the General perception here.

I think I acknowledged that it didn't went the same way in other countries :)
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Yeah I don’t deny that, all I’m saying is western leaders are still out of touch about soviet/russia when they choose to glorify such characters.


 
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TwoSheds said:
So...why haven't they then?
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Because they wouldn't have enough capacities for a third front. If they opened a second front this would be watched with high interest by for example Georgia or Azerbaijan who would love to get regions like South Ossetia or Nagorno-Karabach (back) under their control by force.

The Russian capability to still open a second front is the only reason why we don't have all out war in that region now, nonetheless tensions are rising (especially Azerbaijan slowly tries to move forward in Nagorno-Karabach and there is not really anyone stopping those slow advances now)
 
stefan92 said:
Because they wouldn't have enough capacities for a third front. If they opened a second front this would be watched with high interest by for example Georgia or Azerbaijan who would love to get regions like South Ossetia or Nagorno-Karabach (back) under their control by force.

The Russian capability to still open a second front is the only reason why we don't have all out war in that region now, nonetheless tensions are rising (especially Azerbaijan slowly tries to move forward in Nagorno-Karabach and there is not really anyone stopping those slow advances now)
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It’s nonsense unless that front would be made up from conscripts/unmotivated and out of shape reservists only and that would require a general mobilization anyway which the regime can’t afford.
 
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