Wars have been visceral entertainment since 1991. This one has the unfortunate aspect of being social media’s first true war.
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The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, in this instance.
It’s telling that not a single sanction has caused so much backlash from Kremlin affiliated parties as suggested blanket visa ban. What’s the point all that cash in the ruling circles and elites if their families can’t spend it in Europe. That alone tells this is a right initiative and the door should be left open for asylum seekers that are legitimately running away from the being prosecuted by the regime. I don’t like it because there will be a small minority that shouldn’t be impacted by it given but think it’s a necessary measure at this point to change the mood in the largest cities. Basically, while the whole army is in the Ukraine there might not be a better time for protests to begin. Let them know it’s a temporary measure until Putin is removed and soldiers have left the Ukraine.
If that's true, that would enter in the annals of History among the most daring and yet successful raids by special forces ever. You could put it up there with SAS raids during the WW2 North African campaign, the American raid at Cabanatuan in 1945, or the 1976 rescue mission at Entebbe.
Even worse.
Yeah, I guess all the fighting and dying they’re doing doesn’t give them leeway to celebrate what’s either a very good precision strike or a very very good special forces mission.
Also at the end of the day it was a military target that was struck. It wasn't a bomb dropped on a crowd of civilians.
To be fair… the Ukrainian Army is in the running for conducting the longest armored raid in military history, and that was back in 2014 before they were as well trained as they are now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Raid_of_2014
Absolutely right
I would be embarrassed if my government turned a military operation into a funny tweet, but as I said, I don't see war as entertainment.
That might be true but at the same time some innocent people proudly wearing their Z merch who thought having a holiday basically on the frontlines of the biggest war in decades, is a good idea, had to suffer and cut their holiday short. Would nobody think about the extreme suffering they endured?
I’m sure Ukraine will take your criticism into consideration the next time they embarrass the Russian military.
I see them as having earned the right to celebrate their victories.
Wait, is everyone in this thread in contact with the ukrainian milirary except me? I thought everyone was just giving their opinion.
Yes, we are on a direct line with them.
I just want you to be prepared the next time they celebrate a victory.
I will celebrate their victories, just not with stupid social media tweets with funny music mocking random civilians.
Damn! How come this feat has not been covered and celebrated more among military history buffs?
OK, wish them good luck for me.
Watch it on mute.
And I’ll continue to believe that the opinion of the Ministry of Defense actually dying for their homeland trumps Yours on this issue
It was back then, but a lot has happened since 2014.
Not trying to be rude, but what relevant expertise do you have to support this?There looks to be 3 big craters in this photo, the fact that all 3 seems to be the same size indicates some kind of missile strike.
Judging by the size of the craters a warhead of a considerable size must have been used, this is Kalibr, Tomahawk, ATACMS or Iskander sized craters in my opinion.
Yes.
I have no expertise what so ever, I'm just a regular guy with a slightly unhealthy interest in military stuff. I wrote it was just my own opinion and I don't make any claimes about being an expert.
Graphics are images, not sound.
Finally! So we have someone saying dead russian civilians is ok. Thanks for proving my point.
OK, so are you going to comment all the posts where someone isn't in line with the ministry of defense or did I win some kind of raffle?
Close the thread! Everyone has been proven wrong.
You are transforming into a meme.What have I missed?
You keep complaining about the "funny music" so just mute it if you don't like. Meanwhile we will celebrate Ukraine's success with sound on.
I think I was clear about not liking the entertainment aspect of this war, but I guess I wasn't.
Seeing some entitled people bursting into tears once they get karma they deserve is quite entertaining, not gonna lie.
Different strokes...
I think it's a bit weird that when a poster straight out comes out saying that it's ok to celebrate dead civilians as long as they're Russians (or evil corrupted monsters, which is what orcs canonically are), the reaction is to make fun of another poster who doesn't like the fact that a deadly war is serving as entertainment competing with Netflix and cat videos.
From quite a few posters I expect this, so it's maybe not weird in that sense, but from other posters it's very surprising.
A deadly war is serving as entertainment behause tourists feck off from an occupied area of a Country at war ? Oh and if you don‘t like this „fact“ don‘t watch these videos.
By 7 August official figures estimate at least 28,500 Ukrainian civilian casualties.
There are also estimates of around 850 civilian casualties in the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.
There have been Russian reports of two civilians killed by Ukrainian shelling in the Belgorod Oblast and a further seven workers reported missing after an alleged Ukrainian attack on Crimea.
Every deliberate targeting of Russian civilians by the Ukrainians is a war crime. Every Russian civilian casualty caused by Ukrainian military action is a tragedy. I don't condone anyone who would celebrate a Russian death, and that includes the thousands of young men and boys who are being pretty much press ganged and forced into serving and dying in a war they know nothing about and care even less about.
I grow frustrated when an individual's response to a post (to which my first reaction was that he must have misunderstood, but is in no way defensible on any level) is somehow implied to stand for the rest of our views on this conflict.
I'm very well aware of all the civilian deaths, and the seemingly endless line of Russian war crimes. Everyone (with one exception) in this thread is. If people were posting memes about those I'm sure people would object, and if they didn't I would.
At no point was that user's stance implied to stand for the rest of the thread. Not only that, the topic we're talking isn't even close to cover people's overall view on the conflict, it's about one small part of it. If you've actually read the comments over the last pages there's no reasonable way for you to interpret it like that, and you're a very reasonable person.
it's serving as entertainment in general terms. @calodo2003 made the point earlier that war has been entertainment since 1991 and the gulf war. he was right. that marked a new period in war as entertainment because of 24/7 coverage. it had been entertainment before that but it was never on that continuous scale. and this one is different because it's being driven by social media and weird memes which, at times, make the serious and heavy very blasé and light. i think it's aimed at the tiktok generation but who knows. i've personally never seen war marketed like this before outside of israel which seemed to pioneer it some years back.
on earlier topic, just a small snippet.
it's the "out-group" which also "consists of those who question the ideas of the propagandist" that i've frequently noticed in play throughout this thread. if you're questioning this or that or running against the grain, then you're not with us on every point and so must be russian or anti-west. it's the product of intense propaganda barrage. useful in ukraine which has to fight an actual war but destructive outside it.
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They are not random civilians. They are civilians entitled enough to go to an occupied region from a country that they are in a war that their government started. They knew were they were going, and they had little regard (bordering insult) for the Ukranian Crimean's that they don't want them there. I don't want them any harm but distress and kharma? all the way
Should I feel pity for the Russian woman that was mocking Ukranians on the streets in Vienna? not at all. I enjoyed when they cancelled their bookings? absolutely. Do I want any physical harm happen to her? not at all
But hey, I guess you have a holier than thou approach. Good for you