Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

It’s mad how little coverage it gets. 4 years ago a money laundering investigation uncovered $234 Billion (with a B) was funnelled from Russia into various banks, trusts, shell companies, etc in the west through a single Estonian branch of a Danish bank between 2007-2014.

That’s just one instance, how much cash do we think the Russian elite have laundered in total since Putin took control? A trillion is probably lowballing it. There are countless places pretty much set up to hide this kind of money, in the US, UK/offshores, etc and don’t get me started on crypto. This money can be all too easily weaponised. Whenever I hear someone talking some random bollocks that just so happens fits in to the Russian narrative, it’s the first thing that comes to mind.
The West does a terrible job of making sure we all know how criminal the Russia regime is. Isn't it time they start making this stuff front page news? I can see how, in the past, hoping to lull Russia into normalizing relations by offering access to the West, you'd want to minimalist these things, so your own citizens don't demand you hold them to account and apply leverage.
 
The West does a terrible job of making sure we all know how criminal the Russia regime is. Isn't it time they start making this stuff front page news? I can see how, in the past, hoping to lull Russia into normalizing relations by offering access to the West, you'd want to minimalist these things, so your own citizens don't demand you hold them to account and apply leverage.

The money laundering stuff through a Danish bank was front page stuff here in Denmark for weeks.
 
The money laundering stuff through a Danish bank was front page stuff here in Denmark for weeks.
I think it was the main news in all of the Nordic countries. It wasn't just Danske Bank that got cought either, from memory at least DNB, Swedbank and Nordea have similar investigations ongoing against them just not on the same scale as Danske Bank.
 
The money laundering stuff through a Danish bank was front page stuff here in Denmark for weeks.
I suppose I only check the US and UK news, and not as regularly in the past as more recently.

Even if it was headline news here, I just generally mean that the news will repeat false Russian claims and I don't feel like I hear about their dirt nearly as often as their fake claims. It would be helpful, for the sorts in the US especially on the right who want to pick up Russian propaganda claims as a stick with which to beat the Democrats.

Your average American doesn't know enough about what Russia really is, a criminal state.
 



Here we go?

The Russians have been building a pontoon bridge next to it in the last couple of days, after it was heavily damaged by the last strikes. Will be interesting to see if they have taken down both the pontoon and the Antonovsky bridge, if so the Russian troops in and around Kherson are cut off from any resupplies right now.
 
Putin himself acted quite friendly to Europe/"the West" in earlier years...
The film Putin's Witnesses (2018) is absolutely fascinating and has a number of candid interviews from his early presidential years. He openly talks about wanting to ensure that he governs in a manner where he can seemingly step back into society once his term ends and have a family life, not understanding those who want to become a dictator for life. It's quite remarkable and he appears very sincere.
 
The film Putin's Witnesses (2018) is absolutely fascinating and has a number of candid interviews from his early presidential years. He openly talks about wanting to ensure that he governs in a manner where he can seemingly step back into society once his term ends and have a family life, not understanding those who want to become a dictator for life. It's quite remarkable and he appears very sincere.

One of the first things they learn at KGB is to lie about everything. You and me can be fooled, but the various security services of the western countries? I don't think so. Which makes is very strange that western leaders where "surprised" he was lying all along. Like Merkel ( who grew up in East Germany ffs !!! )
 
The film Putin's Witnesses (2018) is absolutely fascinating and has a number of candid interviews from his early presidential years. He openly talks about wanting to ensure that he governs in a manner where he can seemingly step back into society once his term ends and have a family life, not understanding those who want to become a dictator for life. It's quite remarkable and he appears very sincere.
Yeah, but his actions between when he was the #2 guy to Sobchak and then the #2 guy to Yeltsin tell a different story.
 
One of the first things they learn at KGB is to lie about everything. You and me can be fooled, but the various security services of the western countries? I don't think so. Which makes is very strange that western leaders where "surprised" he was lying all along. Like Merkel ( who grew up in East Germany ffs !!! )
In a democracy the intelligence services have no executive power. So whatever they advise, its up to the elected officials to act as they see fit. See Trump and his distrust for the IC . That being said, it's indeed possible that the German services have been compromised from the get go.
 
The outrage on Twitter over Zelensky and his wife appearing in Vouge is pathetic.
 
Any there should not be any outrage? Doing photoshoot in the middle of a war where people are dying.

It might seem in poor taste, but the 1st lady in the interview in the magazine makes it clear that its to attract attention to their cause.
 
It might seem in poor taste, but the 1st lady in the interview in the magazine makes it clear that its to attract attention to their cause.
Which is fair given how people seem far less interested right now, their biggest fear (and sadly I don't think it's that unlikely) is the West slowly dials down their support as time goes on and domestic pressure ramps up for energy.

'We put unprecedented sanctions on Russia, they will think twice before doing anything like this again and we have shown the world NATO is truly united' etc etc. whilst Ukraine gets levelled.
 
Which is fair given how people seem far less interested right now, their biggest fear (and sadly I don't think it's that unlikely) is the West slowly dials down their support as time goes on and domestic pressure ramps up for energy.

'We put unprecedented sanctions on Russia, they will think twice before doing anything like this again and we have shown the world NATO is truly united' etc etc. whilst Ukraine gets levelled.

Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard really did them over.
 
Worse than that, it's dangerous.

Well in a sense it seemed to have backfired. But then again most people on twitter seem backwards anyway. Still doing photo ops for a fashion magazine is not necessarily the best way to get positive pr for a war effort.
 
The selflessness from soldiers always amazes me. They could probably see people chilling right now in Kyiv etc on social media while they themselves are on the frontlines battling the Russians.
I couldn't do it.
 
Well in a sense it seemed to have backfired. But then again most people on twitter seem backwards anyway. Still doing photo ops for a fashion magazine is not necessarily the best way to get positive pr for a war effort.
Perhaps not the best PR but the majority of this discourse is from conservatives/trump supporters hinting that the war is some sort of conspiracy.

It's somewhere between the fact that politics has become so tribal that people will discredit a country that has been invaded, its people killed and infrastructure destroyed, just in order to attack their political opponent who has provided aid (Biden), and the not so secret conservative political ties to fake news media and pro-russian agendas.
 
Perhaps not the best PR but the majority of this discourse is from conservatives/trump supporters hinting that the war is some sort of conspiracy.

It's somewhere between the fact that politics has become so tribal that people will discredit a country that has been invaded, its people killed and infrastructure destroyed, just in order to attack their political opponent who has provided aid (Biden), and the not so secret conservative political ties to fake news media and pro-russian agendas.

No doubt about that. Tbh even most europeans no feck all about Ukraine. So I'm not surprised about some Americans not knowing and not caring at all about Ukraine.
 
Perhaps not the best PR but the majority of this discourse is from conservatives/trump supporters hinting that the war is some sort of conspiracy.

It's somewhere between the fact that politics has become so tribal that people will discredit a country that has been invaded, its people killed and infrastructure destroyed, just in order to attack their political opponent who has provided aid (Biden), and the not so secret conservative political ties to fake news media and pro-russian agendas.
The wildest new conspiracy theory I’ve run into is that this war isn’t really happening because there isn’t enough media coverage showing video of it. From the mass media which, mind you, they don’t trust anyway. It’s all a big scam to funnel money to the rich, same as climate change.

I thought they were memeing but they were actually serious. At least the ‘birds aren’t real thing’ is almost amusing.
 
No doubt about that. Tbh even most europeans no feck all about Ukraine. So I'm not surprised about some Americans not knowing and not caring at all about Ukraine.
The wildest new conspiracy theory I’ve run into is that this war isn’t really happening because there isn’t enough media coverage showing video of it. From the mass media which, mind you, they don’t trust anyway. It’s all a big scam to funnel money to the rich, same as climate change.

I thought they were memeing but they were actually serious. At least the ‘birds aren’t real thing’ is almost amusing.
Agree, but it's determined by the media they consume and twitter is a cesspit in that regard. The whole point of fake news is to provide so many contrasting narratives that it blurs the lines of reality of what is actually going on. Specifically, by delegitimising the the oppressed/victim it aims to create confusion/indifference in the minds of the viewer.

Objectively at first there is a fairly discernible "good" and a "bad" and it is fairly clear to see what is going on. However, over time the drip drip of fake news is used as a machiavellian means of garnering support (or indifference) for agendas ranging from corrupt/devious to evil. This phenomena has plagued western politics in the recent past too. That's how I see it any way.

Second bolded part - the majority of idiots parroting that shite either aren't aware of the script they've been given to read from or are just bot accounts/aggregators.
 
Interesting indeed given that Wlad was actually quite friendly with Putin at one point.

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Yeah, I think both had quite a lot of business dealings with Russians , povetkin wlad being one and the canceled valuev vitali being the other.
I can't speak for them but I think they may have complicated feelings over Russian Ukrainian relations as I believe their father was a soviet major general who may have died due to the aftereffects of his involvement in chernobyl's cleanup.
 
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Yeah, I think both had quite a lot of business dealings with Russians , povetkin wlad being one and the canceled valuev vitali being the other.
I can't speak for them but I think they may have complicated feelings over Russian Ukrainian relations as I believe their father was a soviet major general who may have died to the aftereffects of his involvement in chernobyl's cleanup.

I never knew this. I cannot even imagine to be asked to do something like that.