Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Probably just postering rhetoric but worth noting.



There have been reports in the last couple of days about Russia moving most of their ships away from occupied Sevastopol to Novorossijsk in mainland Russia. Maybe the Russians are expecting something in Crimea to?
 
I think it's just talk. Don't forget, there is also an information and PR war going on.
 
There have been reports in the last couple of days about Russia moving most of their ships away from occupied Sevastopol to Novorossijsk in mainland Russia. Maybe the Russians are expecting something in Crimea to?

If the fleet is moving away, then something big must be brewing on the South Ukrainian/Crimean front. With the HIMARS and Harpoon missiles now being game-changers in Ukrainian hands, it would make sense for the Russian Navy to get away as we now know that their CIWS are not up to the task.
 
I know there's a lot of hyperbole but if HIMARS have made this much difference, are Russia's S300's just outdated/not fit for their task? It's not like HIMARS are a big secret that have been revealed and taken the world by storm.
 
I know there's a lot of hyperbole but if HIMARS have made this much difference, are Russia's S300's just outdated/not fit for their task? It's not like HIMARS are a big secret that have been revealed and taken the world by storm.
It's impossible to know exactly what is the weak point in the Russian air defense, but Ukraine are definitely able to get their missiles through.

One thing that has been mentioned is the Ukrainians are flooding the targets with cheap Grad rockets before firing the Gmlrs missiles.
Another reason could be that the Gmlrs missiles electronic counter meassures are able to trick the Russian radars. Built in missile ECM capabilities are one of the most tightly kept secrets when it comes to missiles, so this is just guesswork.
Or it's just the Russian air defense systems that are not as good as everyone thought.
 


That radar is part of an S-400 system. It was struck presumably by a HIMARS/M270 strike while on a coastal town on the black area, south of Kherson.

If the Russian air defences in Kherson start to crumble, the rest of the pieces will fall like dominoes. Bayraktars will start operating more freely, picking off artillery positions and ammo depots.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...sedgntp&cvid=cdbaac5d8fd0454c9f4a42bc90bc0bfd

One more crazy quote by Lavrov. Apparently the West is trying to aggravate situation by sending weapons. Imagine that, there's an attack going on an independent country and someone is aggravating that situation. Also speaking about other territories all the while still not succeeding in the whole Donbas region.

Quote about Zelensky is a little bit frightening too.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...sedgntp&cvid=cdbaac5d8fd0454c9f4a42bc90bc0bfd

One more crazy quote by Lavrov. Apparently the West is trying to aggravate situation by sending weapons. Imagine that, there's an attack going on an independent country and someone is aggravating that situation. Also speaking about other territories all the while still not succeeding in the whole Donbas region.

Quote about Zelensky is a little bit frightening too.

Would be a real shame if something happened to Lavrov.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...sedgntp&cvid=cdbaac5d8fd0454c9f4a42bc90bc0bfd

One more crazy quote by Lavrov. Apparently the West is trying to aggravate situation by sending weapons. Imagine that, there's an attack going on an independent country and someone is aggravating that situation. Also speaking about other territories all the while still not succeeding in the whole Donbas region.

Quote about Zelensky is a little bit frightening too.

Nothing they can say is either scary or frightening any more. They’re already doing the worst they can be doing, short of lobbing nukes. They are all in. We also know that the only language they understand is violence. So when they say long range western weapons will only make things worse in Ukraine, all I’m hearing is: “they are getting rattled, arm Ukraine even more”.

There are a few thousand ATACMS missiles of different variants in the US arsenal. They will start getting replaced by PrSM from 2024 anyway. Make sure Ukraine gets few hundred ATACMS to go with their increasing numbers of HIMARS/M270. Help them identify and bomb munition dumps, airfields and radars as deep as Crimea.

Watch Lavrov squirm even more.
 
Nothing they can say is either scary or frightening any more. They’re already doing the worst they can be doing, short of lobbing nukes. They are all in. We also know that the only language they understand is violence. So when they say long range western weapons will only make things worse in Ukraine, all I’m hearing is: “they are getting rattled, arm Ukraine even more”.

There are a few thousand ATACMS missiles of different variants in the US arsenal. They will start getting replaced by PrSM from 2024 anyway. Make sure Ukraine gets few hundred ATACMS to go with their increasing numbers of HIMARS/M270. Help them identify and bomb munition dumps, airfields and radars as deep as Crimea.

Watch Lavrov squirm even more.
Everything that these cretins are mouthing off is for the internal consumption and poor Ukrainians as they specifically engage in these informational attacks to try and break the morale of the general population. The losses (both technical and highly trained military personnel) that they have sustained will take them decades to recover in the sanctions constrained environment even if this war stopped this very second. In the west everyone understands that they have nothing left to even bluff with, it’s purely aimed at those zombies in front of their TVs in the zombieland.
 
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Do we have a way to compare with other nations? I used to read about shipments all the time, but that has declined. It can be because of generally less coverage or me paying less attention rather than declining supplies, of course.

In one way I'd expect a sort of inverted U-shape. First a few shipments, then whatever's available within different economic/defensive limits when it became more obvious both how serious the situation was and that Ukraine wouldn't just be quickly overran anyway, and then less and less as both available weaponry becomes more scarce and less political pressure due to media fatigue.
 
What's the official reason given?

That Germany cannot give too many weapons because it will be left defenseless. And then what will happen to the German Economy if Godzilla suddenly attacks? Or UFOs? Or the Klingons? Definitely it is not a good idea to leave Germany defenseless.
 
That Germany cannot give too many weapons because it will be left defenseless. And then what will happen to the German Economy if Godzilla suddenly attacks? Or UFOs? Or the Klingons? Definitely it is not a good idea to leave Germany defenseless.
That's pure horseshit. Germany has one of the largest weapon industries in the world by a mile, so the government better not complain when those industries ought to make more money and thus pay more taxes to the State as per German laws.
 
That's pure horseshit. Germany has one of the largest weapon industries in the world by a mile, so the government better not complain when those industries ought to make more money and thus pay more taxes to the State as per German laws.
You missed the part about godzilla and klingons in their post?
 
My bet is that it's still because Germany is super reliant on Russian gas and oil.
If the Japanese government managed to make a u-turn and finally stick the 2 fingers up to the OTT homegrown anti-nuclear uproar after Fukushima, it shouldn't be that hard for the German government to reactivate their own nuclear power plants. Better that than relying on coal (THAT is the epitome of stupid) and other foreign fossil fuels.

Those so-called Greens have betrayed the environment by supporting a return to coal rather than going for a far easier option that would reduce dependence on polutting sources of energy, especially Russian oil and gas.
 
If the Japanese government managed to make a u-turn and finally stick the 2 fingers up to the OTT homegrown anti-nuclear uproar after Fukushima, it shouldn't be that hard for the German government to reactivate their own nuclear power plants. Better that than relying on coal (THAT is the epitome of stupid) and other foreign fossil fuels.

Those so-called Greens have betrayed the environment by supporting a return to coal rather than going for a far easier option that would reduce dependence on polutting sources of energy, especially Russian oil and gas.
There's a lot of discussion in Germany wether and under which circumstances it would be possible to prolong the runtime of the still workable nuclear power plants. Narrative so far has been mostly that it isn't technically possible on a whim, but recently read a report that the hurdles are mostly political, not technical. I'm of course no expert, so don't know what's true and what isn't, but it's being discussed at least.

One thing people forget with nuclear power plants though is that they don't solve Germany's gas reliance problem. It helps with power production of course, but there are many many households with gas heating, so a nuclear power plant won't heat those. On top of that, chemical industry is the second biggest branch in Germany, and BASF, the big player here, needs gas as an educt for their products, so that as well can't be easily replaced
 
There's a lot of discussion in Germany wether and under which circumstances it would be possible to prolong the runtime of the still workable nuclear power plants. Narrative so far has been mostly that it isn't technically possible on a whim, but recently read a report that the hurdles are mostly political, not technical. I'm of course no expert, so don't know what's true and what isn't, but it's being discussed at least.

One thing people forget with nuclear power plants though is that they don't solve Germany's gas reliance problem. It helps with power production of course, but there are many many households with gas heating, so a nuclear power plant won't heat those. On top of that, chemical industry is the second biggest branch in Germany, and BASF, the big player here, needs gas as an educt for their products, so that as well can't be easily replaced

Germany does not get 100% of their gas from Russia, so they do not have to replace ALL gas. I know this is obvious, but I have seen various comments here and elsewhere that seem to imply that Germany needs to turn off all gas everywhere, which is not true.

Germany and other countries also use gas for electricity production, and that part should definitely be replaced with sources that do not cause global warming, and nuclear reactors can help. France has an extensive program of nuclear energy production and can export energy to Germany.

Actually all these problems are solvable, but the solutions cost money and Germany prefers to save money, even if that means that they are the greatest financers of the Russian war machine. They simply don't care *enough* about what happens to others, well it's a pity that Ukrainians die but someone else should do something about it...
 
https://www.republicworld.com/world...t-give-more-weapons-amid-war-articleshow.html



"We can’t give away much more from the Bundeswehr, I'll say that very clearly, and my colleague is aware of that,” the German minister was quoted as saying by Russia-based RT News.

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However, earlier last month, Defense Minister Lambrecht made it clear that Berlin would keep supporting Ukraine "with everything possible" but not at the expense of its own defense capabilities.

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Elaborating Germany's efforts to help Ukraine, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has confirmed that Berlin will continue to support Ukraine under the “circular exchange” principle. According to the scheme, Eastern European countries donate their Soviet-era military inventory to Ukraine and in turn receive more modern systems from Germany.


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You get the idea... Other countries give Ukraine their Soviet era weapons and Germany gives (sells???) modern weapons to these other countries. Win-Win! But Germany does not give modern weapons directly to Ukraine, because .... it may weaken its own army. Which does absolutely nothing and will do absolutely nothing in the future, except if Cylons attack Earth. Maybe.
 
Nothing they can say is either scary or frightening any more. They’re already doing the worst they can be doing, short of lobbing nukes. They are all in. We also know that the only language they understand is violence. So when they say long range western weapons will only make things worse in Ukraine, all I’m hearing is: “they are getting rattled, arm Ukraine even more”.

There are a few thousand ATACMS missiles of different variants in the US arsenal. They will start getting replaced by PrSM from 2024 anyway. Make sure Ukraine gets few hundred ATACMS to go with their increasing numbers of HIMARS/M270. Help them identify and bomb munition dumps, airfields and radars as deep as Crimea.

Watch Lavrov squirm even more.
Agreed, it's a bit short to the stuff that crazy mobster Kadirov is saying, apparently Poland is next, after they deal with Ukraine and by the looks of it, it wont be soon or ever. It would be such a shame if something would happen to that guy. He just barks nonsense far from the frontline all the while acting he's in the peak of it.
 
Germany does not get 100% of their gas from Russia, so they do not have to replace ALL gas. I know this is obvious, but I have seen various comments here and elsewhere that seem to imply that Germany needs to turn off all gas everywhere, which is not true.

Germany and other countries also use gas for electricity production, and that part should definitely be replaced with sources that do not cause global warming, and nuclear reactors can help. France has an extensive program of nuclear energy production and can export energy to Germany.

Actually all these problems are solvable, but the solutions cost money and Germany prefers to save money, even if that means that they are the greatest financers of the Russian war machine. They simply don't care *enough* about what happens to others, well it's a pity that Ukrainians die but someone else should do something about it...

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I know, I've posted this before so he knows he's lying. It's just that sometimes this stuff will shut him up for a few days, which is nice. Sometimes it backfires, though, like when I brought up Yemen and a quick Google search turned him into a Saudi Arabia supporter. This war also turned him against the Palestinians, great stuff.

I haven't seen this list before. Can you link the source?

From that list, we know about China, UK has been helping Ukraine a lot since February, and I consider Germany and Netherlands the same thing. It is just a waste of time to type "Germany and Netherlands" (and France and Italy) all the time. After all, Netherlands has about one fifth of the German population and their political clout in the EU is about that percentage, too. That's why I don't really care much about Netherlands. Germany, France and Italy are the big guns in EU, and all three have done very little to help Ukraine, compared to their wealth.

Please stop with the German apologists, it is boring. Germany has been doing too little to help Ukraine. They should be doing more. There are no excuses any more. There is no reason that America should be the main power helping Ukraine, the EU is quite rich, they should be doing much more and Germany should be the leader in that because it is the richest country in Europe.