Sadly the death toll is climbing all the time, up to ~12 now.
Pure terrorism.
Orcs.
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Orcs.
Because, obviously, the only way to de-Nazify Ukraine is to copy the Nazis down to their misuse of logistics to carry out a population purge. /Pravda Script
This is exactly what is happening, but I think what is inevitable, Russia won't stop at Ukraine, I mean as you say, there is no justification for this, also, this is not a war, a war would suggest that Ukraine or other countries would attack Russia, at the moment this seems unlikely.
This is nothing but a sad reflection that as long as Russia exists, they will do this again and again, I think they will attack a NATO country next, just to see the reaction. It seems they are goading the west and USA and UK to see when they decide to get involved. I mean, Russia is essentially cut off from a lot of the world now, they are trying to starve a large chunk of the world too, I mean where is the deterrent?
So I think sooner or later the west has to intervene and take a firm aggressive action against Russia. I know people fear the use of nuclear missiles but I'd rather take that risk than let Russia basically destroy the world slowly in other ways. There is no end goal of theirs, nothing to gain destroying Ukraine, so why shouldn't NATO now intervene and start dictating the terms. There is no resolution or peace to be had, Russia will keep on escalating, so I think world leaders need to prepare their nations for a chance of nuclear attacks as sooner or later it's going to come down to that.
In Putin's warped mind, he might just simply back down once the threat to his country happens. He'll respect that someone has stood up to him, right now, he can do as he pleases and nothing of sanctions or other measures have had any affect on him or Russia.
One of the more horrific scenes i've looked at. The mother uploaded a clip of them walking along the pavement in the sun like 30 mins beforehand... That foot is not attached to the rest of her
Though she apparently made it to intensive care.
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Fecking animals.
Indeed. It is a matter of grabbing the bigger end of the stick at the end of the day, and NATO will have to find a way to put Russia in a position to have the short end at best. For as long as United Russia still breathes as a political entity, there will be no peaceful resolution in sight anytime soon. Considering that those pirates are looting Ukraine and trying to reap money from selling the loot, the next step should be about finding a way to destroy all transportation modes they use to transfer that loot to other countries.
New footage from the battle of Hostomel on the first days of the war.
Quite telling how the war is going for Russia when they have to use video material from a completly failed operation in their propaganda.
Quite telling how the war is going for Russia when they have to use video material from a completly failed operation in their propaganda.
I'd say you could find precedents in pre-Soviet Russian imperial history. The deportation/genocide of the Circassians in the 1860s surely fits this category.
Hope the Germans are enjoying their gas. Won’t someone think of the German industry!
A fecking terrible look to pump all that money into a terrorist state. No way to spin it now. Funding North Korea is less morally repugnant.
A fecking terrible look to pump all that money into a terrorist state. No way to spin it now. Funding North Korea is less morally repugnant.
Why pick solely on Germany though? It's hardly fair to single them out, many countries rely on Russia for gas, oil etc. It's hardly going to help if we are going to take a pop at other countries, which only creates division, something Putin would use to cause more instability.
It's the aggression of Putin and his people that are at fault and them alone and the narrative must be the only thing we talk about and condemn.
They can't just on the fly impoverish themselves for a foreign war. Its the elected governments responsibility to serve its own citizens first. Germany can only gradually stop their reliance on oil and gas like a lot of countries in Europe. For countries without reliance easy its to swing their dicks and have a pop at Germany.
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Sensible post. We can't get out of the pickle we created for ourselves overnight. So if you want to criticise Germany, which is fair enough, do it for the last two decades of getting so overly reliant on Russian ressources, not for being unable to change the current situation over night
Germany definitely fecked up by closing it's nuclear power plants after fukushima. But for instance it's nothing new for western countries or any countries to get their oil from dodgy regime's and.... Norway
And during those two decades they strengthened their economy, had a lot of surplus budgets and made a lot of money, enjoying cheap gas. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014, annexing Crimea. What was the response of Germany? Let's build Nord Stream 2 with our dear friend Putin, and make more money.
Horrible, horrible stuff. And it's just getting worse by the day.
They're just picking towns and cities by will, close to the frontline or not, pure terrorism. Vinntysa is in deep Ukraine, not so close to the frontline as I gather.
That's why I always laugh when I hear their propaganda they're precise with their bombing and if they bomb residential areas its cause Ukrainian forces are using buildings and houses as camp. Standard propaganda of an invading country with a criminal regime.
They're just picking towns and cities by will, close to the frontline or not, pure terrorism. Vinntysa is in deep Ukraine, not so close to the frontline as I gather.
That's why I always laugh when I hear their propaganda they're precise with their bombing and if they bomb residential areas its cause Ukrainian forces are using buildings and houses as camp. Standard propaganda of an invading country with a criminal regime.
If Germany had any interest in getting less dependant on Russian energy or CO2 heavy energy resourses in general they could just keep their 3 remaining nuclear plants running insead of shutting them down by the end of the year. All of that energy will have to be replaced within 6 months and the only realistic way to do so is by burning more coal, oil and gas.
I agree. Closing their nuclear power plants was always a stupid decision. I mentioned that above.
Well, if the goal is to kill civilians, then they are precise.
Poor dog thought people were playing with it by getting on the ground.
This is good news. Hopefully, Ukraine will get F-16s. Or better. They need a modern air force if they are going to destroy the Russian artillery.
Terror strikes on Dnipro tonight:
Those buying Russian gas are getting a great return on their investment in recent days.
Those buying Russian gas are getting a great return on their investment in recent days.
Ukrainian officials have confirmed that the US House of Representatives approved of $100 million in funding to train Ukrainian pilots to operate American aircraft as part of the National Defense Authorization Act. The pilots will be trained on F-15 and F-16 jets, according to Andriy Yermak, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s chief of staff.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...086e8f93697494#block-62d1f0ab8f086e8f93697494
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...086e8f93697494#block-62d1f0ab8f086e8f93697494
I assume this is what putin meant when he said they haven't really started yet.
I bet once offensive stalls alltogether, they'll dig in like roaches and start shelling civilian targets to force peace talks.
A big question for me, is if Putin turns around tomorrow and says “operation is complete, we are withdrawing” - so we just give ourselves a pat on the back and be done with it?
The amount of damage and loss of life caused by Russia is surely too much to ever forgive or to move on from at this point. Do we demand Russia pays to rebuild Ukraine? What do we do when they refuse? Do we support Ukraine if they decide they want to start getting revenge and firing more missions at Russia?
I would hope that at minimum, the west will keep all sanctions and measures in place until Russia has paid back Ukraine for the damages, and returned the displayed citizens they have kidnapped (neither of which I believe they will ever do).
There cannot be a return to the status quo with Russia now. Any relationship is shattered. A previous poster said that we (the west) need to start accepting and preparing for the possibility of a war with Russia. It’s not pleasant and it’s not desirable, but only once we accept that as a possibility can we start to play Russia at its own game and curtail their aggression.
The amount of damage and loss of life caused by Russia is surely too much to ever forgive or to move on from at this point. Do we demand Russia pays to rebuild Ukraine? What do we do when they refuse? Do we support Ukraine if they decide they want to start getting revenge and firing more missions at Russia?
I would hope that at minimum, the west will keep all sanctions and measures in place until Russia has paid back Ukraine for the damages, and returned the displayed citizens they have kidnapped (neither of which I believe they will ever do).
There cannot be a return to the status quo with Russia now. Any relationship is shattered. A previous poster said that we (the west) need to start accepting and preparing for the possibility of a war with Russia. It’s not pleasant and it’s not desirable, but only once we accept that as a possibility can we start to play Russia at its own game and curtail their aggression.
the russians are just using the same arguments which the the americans used in iraq, in places like fallujah, and the israelis do with Gaza. where 'civilian' infrastructure is a valid military target as the 'governing' parties are the enemy and then anybody associated with them is an enemy combatant. plagues on all their houses.
live we in the west have put Afghanistan back together again after leaving...
Yeh the sanctions would not lift. They are a pariah state now. It is why in many ways, Russia has already lost this war, they are never recovering from it.
The most probable outcome is some kind of stand still, much like the one in the Korean peninsula with a new iron curtain between Russia and the west.
The only other options I see are:
-A total victory for Russia which would only be followed by further Russian aggressions against other countries. At this point I think that is an almost impossible outcome, it would take some sort breakdown of Nato and EU for that to happen.
-The other one is an internal collape of Russia due to a total defeat of the Russian forces in Ukraine and the crumbelling effects on Russian society from the sanctions.
Unless Rusia attacks a Nato country they are simply going to be isolated by the west and treated like a loose Canon like Saddam Hussein. Luckily for Russia they have a major ally in China, but the west will gradually do everything to crush them financially.
I hope this is carried out.