Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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If we give them the longer range ATACMS missiles, they would be able to hit Sevastopol from Mykolaiv and even deeper into Russian-held territory. I think the concern is that they could also use them to strike about 300 km into Russia too. I don't see what the issue is, but maybe they can bee used to cripple the Black Sea fleet to open up shipping lanes again.
Eventually the Russians will adapt somewhat to the current set of HIMARS missiles, but, if they receive the longer range missiles, Russia's adjustment (moving depots further back from the lines) won't be as effective.
I also seem suggestions that the S400 hasn't been able to shoot down any of the HIMARS missiles as is. If that's true, it would mean that the Ukrainians could strike into Crimea and other long-held positions.
Barbarians.
This is Zelenskyy’s first real test. Attacking is much harder than defending. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
I hope this is a joke.
Yeah you'd think the dozen or so assassination attempts, armoured and aerial assault and rallying calls all while being plum centre of Kiev against a 300,000 strong army with countless tanks and rocket units might be a consideration there. The fact that Ukraine is thinking about an offensive AT ALL is verging on the miraculous given all my personal hopes and fears in the first days of the war. A lot of experts didn't give the Ukrainians a weekend to survive and look where they are now. Still in the fight and kicking back.
Exactly. If Ukraine can regain enough control of the coastline in order to widen the corridor for their ships, it would be a massive relief for everyone depending on Ukrainian grain and other products as well.
Not to mention moving danger from Odessa.
Following on from this (Lavrov's statement about the west blocking peace talks). They will of course use all their influence and agents in the west to push the same narrative to try and put pressure on Ukraine to sit down for talks.
Exhibit A:
I expect to see Fox News and the like pushing the same talking points very soon, if they aren't already. They'll try and turn public opinion in this direction, and no doubt succeed, they are very good at this.
It will of course still make no difference to Ukraine and their main backers.
That, probably.
While the Russian Army is suffering from a severe case of himarrhoids and everyone is caught up in that, the UA army will still need equipping with lots more 155mm platforms and munitions.
The long rage GPS guided rockets of HIMARS are great for sniping warehouses, command posts and other high value assets. But they can’t play the role of peppering an area to prevent the advance (or force the retreat) of mechanised infantry. They are too few and too expensive for that. Both the platforms and the rockets that is.
Surely NATO countries have a shit ton of M109a2+ platforms hanging around that they can reasonably quickly repair and deliver to UA army. And train them on how to use them. If they can pick-up Caesars, M777s and PzH2ks that quickly then the M109s should be a walk in the park. Cause yeah, high-end arty is great, but sometimes large volumes of low-end stuff scan also deliver a powerful punch. It’s basically what Russia’s been doing through the whole war so far.
The long rage GPS guided rockets of HIMARS are great for sniping warehouses, command posts and other high value assets. But they can’t play the role of peppering an area to prevent the advance (or force the retreat) of mechanised infantry. They are too few and too expensive for that. Both the platforms and the rockets that is.
Surely NATO countries have a shit ton of M109a2+ platforms hanging around that they can reasonably quickly repair and deliver to UA army. And train them on how to use them. If they can pick-up Caesars, M777s and PzH2ks that quickly then the M109s should be a walk in the park. Cause yeah, high-end arty is great, but sometimes large volumes of low-end stuff scan also deliver a powerful punch. It’s basically what Russia’s been doing through the whole war so far.
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I wouldn't stop this war.
Letting other countries into NATO will do basically nothing to stop this war, that's not why it's happening.
Sorry mate. I missunderstood your earlier post. I thought you were asking to stop the war at this point (so letting russia win what they've won)
They’re strengthening NATO where it needs it. Sometimes raw numbers don’t tell the whole story.
Back on topic. Please use the Geopolitics thread for Finland and NATO chat.
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EDIT: this was not new footage but reporting a strike two days ago
EDIT: this was not new footage but reporting a strike two days ago
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Those four himars for sure are very busy.
There are supposedly 9 Himars operating in Ukraine already with 4 more promised from the US. UK, Norway and Germany have also promised 3 M270 launchers each which might or might not be there already.
I am almost certain that this video is from the strike 2 nights ago.
Thanks, I checked and it is. I will delete it.
Thread on recent Russian attacks.
Why are they doing this? And surely this requires massive logistics?
http://www.clovisinstitute.org/population-replacement-holodomor/
Old Soviet tactic. Ethnic cleansing/replacement, falls under the definition of genocide.
They will replace them with poor/desperate Russians.
This is right out of the Soviet play book, the Soviet Union did this to all the areas it conquered during WW2. They do it so that the people will essentially lose their identity as ukrainians and become part of Russia. If those 1.6 million persons stand togheter in Ukraine they will give each other streanght and feel like they are Ukrainians and a part of Ukraine. But if they are scattered around Russia they will be alone and have no other choice than to become a part of Russia.
One of the supposed motives for Russia attacking Ukraine (as Putin says but nobody expect Russians and his fans believe him) was Ukraine possibly joining Nato. This attack will just push Ukraine to Nato even more, especially since they're receiving all that weapons from Nato countries.
Isn’t it also to Russian up the conquered area? Say 10 years from now we will see election / independence results from the region that would be legitimate results simply because of ethnic genocide like this.
well actually ... probably a bit more complex than that
Due to the codes most Ukrainian bridges were designed for most probably it wouldn't work for an MLC 80 type vehicle which is kinda needed if you have a tank based advance ... you would actually have your own logistics routes set up for this and concentrate resource around them... as such you may want to cripple alternate routes that anybody else can use to flank you
Anyway what would I know Kinda a lot BTW
It is of course also consistent with a defensive positioning but my point is that its not conclusive in and of its self
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Pure terrorism:
Ukraine cannot join NATO if Ukraine does not exist.
It is now obvious that the real objective of this invasion is to erase Ukraine from the map and annex it to Russia. Everything else is just false justifications or lies.
That's why Russians do not care how many Ukrainians die, they don't care how much damage they inflict, they don't care what is the opinion of Ukrainians, and they definitely don't care about NATO or the West or anyone else. Their objective is very simple: to conquer.
It is old time imperialism. In past centuries, other countries may have joined the war by now, for example Poland or Japan, but nowadays they will not, because of the fear of nuclear weapons. This war is actually easy for Russia, compared to their other wars in the past 500 years, because they know that nobody will attack Russia itself. This is the wet dream of any imperialist: attack with impunity! If you win, you won new lands, if you lose, you are guaranteed not to lose any lands! This is the first war of this kind. America had a lot of wars in the past 60 years, but they never had the goal to annex new lands permanently.
Russians believe that if they conquer Ukraine, then sooner or later the West will accept the new reality and everything will return to normalcy, including trade, western companies etc. And of course, they know that NATO will never ever attack the Russian army directly, no matter what they do to Ukrainians. The Russians will escalate this as much as they want to, till they win this war, that's their plan.
I hope that Ukrainians can win, but it seems quite difficult against such a ruthless opponent. It seems to me that if Russians start losing on the battlefield, and I mean really losing serious ground, they will just escalate further, using chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. After all, what is the difference? They have already bombed civilians, shopping malls, they have deported millions of Ukrainians. They are already war criminals ... but nobody can arrest them. Will any further escalation make any difference? This is much worse than Afghanistan. They did not deport millions of people from Afghanistan to Siberia.
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