I hope no one asks Liz Truss her opinion on whether this is an invasion or incursion.
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I hope no one asks Liz Truss her opinion on whether this is an invasion or incursion.
In Lithuania we have built the LNG infrastructure and bought a terminal back in 2014 at a large cost to the tax payer mind you, but we have become completely independent energy wise from Russian threats (I think we still buy it there as it’s cheaper but Russia can no longer use it as a leverage). In Baltics we know all too well what Russia is all about to be as naive as Germans.
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They have B option. They can/will buy gas from US. But i read that it will cost Germany to 5 times more than gas from Russia. Not to mention about their investment in north pipeline.
From all Europe, Germany will be hit the most.
escalation upon escalation. There is only one end to this.
You have to pay for the stupidity as always.
There are always B options. But B options are extremely painful to be used in practice.
Germany fecked up with the closing of nuclear plants. Instead of opening more, they closed those that they had. As the strongest country in the EU, they will not hurt themselves by using EU to put massive sanctions over Russia.
Nobody can assert than Putin represents all of the Russian people either but here we are recognising Russia as a country
If this escalates, I can simply see no way in which that final is held on Russian soil. For a moment forget UEFA's moral compass: How in the world would you be able to hold an event with tens of thousands of fans from NATO countries attending?
Waiting for the trolls to start rationalising how Ukraine is not actually a country.
"Who cares if Russia rejects the sovereignty of Ukraine...did you know the US invaded Iraq"
As per usual the same people will move into their default positions, as the culture war continues.
Go read posts from yesterday.
Denys Harmash is from Luhansk.
Maybe this is all about shoring up Russia's midfield.
Maybe this is all about shoring up Russia's midfield.
They played the video of this nutter in the Duma
What the heck. This shit is actually happening?!?!
They played the video of this nutter in the Duma
I am rooting for the virus. Go rona.
It's underway mate, there are Russia troops in sovereign Ukrainian territory. They've signed an agreement that Russia can build bases in the "separatist" regions and Lavrov has confirmed that Russia does not recognise Ukrainian sovereignty. The only part left is taking the capital.
That’s just nonsense. First of all Zelenskyi offered countless times that he’s willing to meet with Putin directly to discuss the matters but Russia wants none of that diplomacy you’re suggesting where Ukraine stands on its own without a Russian puppet in charge. Secondly, the president has been elected to represent the views of the population at large which voted him in, anyone who would try pivoting back to Russia wouldn’t survive a day in the office. Basically, what you’re saying is feck the will of people because your neighbor is Russia.
Jumping a few steps here surely!
Okay then maybe you weren't skipping a few steps.
In other words, the pathetic Ukrainian slugs should be thankful for Putin’s loving foot on their throat. With all due respect, this comment really suggests you have a misunderstanding about recent Ukrainian elections. The only people stoking anti-Russian sentiment and pushing Ukraine further and further away from Russia is Putin himself.
Zelenskyy ran on an anti-establishment and anti-corruption agenda, whilst also wanting to reduce antagonism between Ukrainian and Russian language groups and the two countries. Of the two candidates in the last election, he was the one who could be labelled the Russia-leaning candidate, given he is a mother-tongue Russian speaker and had big entertainment business interests in Russia. He ended up taking a majority in the whole country, except around the very-Western facing Lviv and surrounding areas. Poroshenko was very much the preferred candidate in the far west of Ukraine and Zelenskyy’s election was seen as a bit of a disappoint there post-Maidan and a stumble back towards the Russosphere.
If what you are arguing is that the only president Ukraine should have is a president that is happy to be a lapdog to Putin and that the country should pursue a path similar to Belarus, then that is no path at all. Unsurprisingly, the majority of the post-Soviet generations, and even final Soviet generation, would prefer to live in a modern, democratic country that is tackling corruption.
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The last guy that tried to do that literally sparked riots in Ukraine and got exciled to Russia.
"Who cares if Russia rejects the sovereignty of Ukraine...did you know the US invaded Iraq"
You forgot Afghanistan and Vietnam.
Every country is full of sh*t. Better to move to New Zealand or Fiji.
Any news on possible sanctions?
I think I saw something about an announcement in Parliament?
I think it was obvious that Russia is recognizing those two 'countries' in the borders they declared (2/3 of which is not controlled by them, but by Ukraine). Doing so, essentially forces a war. Russian troops now will enter the regions controlled by Ukraine are declare that Ukraine is the aggressor for putting troops into other state territories, states that have asked Russia for help.
Now Ukraine either needs to withdraw from the land they control, or be forced into a war they don't want with Russia. The problem though is that even if they withdraw, it is hard to see Putin stopping here. As he made it clear yesterday and Lavrov repeated today, Russia does not recognise Ukraine's sovereignty.
Now Ukraine either needs to withdraw from the land they control, or be forced into a war they don't want with Russia. The problem though is that even if they withdraw, it is hard to see Putin stopping here. As he made it clear yesterday and Lavrov repeated today, Russia does not recognise Ukraine's sovereignty.
If they are indeed shutting it down, it is a serious blow to Russia's economy. They will have a miniscule stock market quite soon. Every penny spent on further war against Ukraine will bleed their budget. Need immediate severe sanctions from US, UK and EU, which is the only non-military leverage available at the moment. Let Putin realize that his war is going to cost not only lives but also billions of dollars which will kill their already struggling economy.
It's never been open. If Russia somehow ends up with all of Ukraine they don't need it anymore either. Why bypass your own region!?
Kerching
Yeah this is solely on Putin - he’s clearly been planning it for years. He’s getting old, probably isn’t as sharp as he once was and knows the dependence on Russian LNG isn’t going to last forever. That’s why it’s so worrying, it’s not like he’ll get any opposition internally as you would in a normal country, so it’s basically a slightly potty old bloke with nothing to lose going for a land grab.