Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Why is @Paxi and @DT12 allowed to post in here when they are absolutely shilling for the Kremlin?

Supporters of war crimes shouldnt be allowed to post on this forum.

Its disgusting and so disrespectful to the likes of @Water Melon

Can a mod explain to me why they are still allowed access to this forum?
Yep, I’m out of this thread thanks to that. Allowing Russian propaganda is a stupidly obvious mistake to make.
 
I feel that @DT12 adds a lot to this discussion. I might not like what he writes but it's interesting to read another view on things.

This is how I feel as well. Unless I missed out on something absolutely horrible he wrote. He's just giving his perspective as to why he thinks Russia will win.
 
Why is @Paxi and @DT12 allowed to post in here when they are absolutely shilling for the Kremlin?

Supporters of war crimes shouldnt be allowed to post on this forum.

Its disgusting and so disrespectful to the likes of @Water Melon

Can a mod explain to me why they are still allowed access to this forum?
Yep, I’m out of this thread thanks to that. Allowing Russian propaganda is a stupidly obvious mistake to make.

You don't fancy putting them on ignore and still following the thread?
 
You don't fancy putting them on ignore and still following the thread?
I have them both on ignore, but I keep reading other members interact with them.

Not saying the conversation is illegitimate, you can have whatever discussion you want. But we’ve seen much less controversial posts getting moved to other topics. According to the same logic this should be moved as well. What Paxi posted was just blatant Kremlin propaganda, there is nothing worth the discussion there..
 
You don't fancy putting them on ignore and still following the thread?
It’s more for the integrity of the thread. You can’t really argue against the effects of such allowance when this was a cornerstone of Russian online strategy for the past decade imo.
 
I have them both on ignore, but I keep reading other members interact with them.

Not saying the conversation is illegitimate, you can have whatever discussion you want. But we’ve seen much less controversial posts getting moved to other topics. According to the same logic this should be moved as well. What Paxi posted was just blatant Kremlin propaganda, there is nothing worth the discussion there..

I don't really find what @DT12 is writing as out of line or irrelevant to the thread at all unless I missed something.
 
It’s more for the integrity of the thread. You can’t really argue against the effects of such allowance when this was a cornerstone of Russian online strategy for the past decade imo.

It's a Manchester United fan forum. It's not the grand theater of discussions. I would agree though that Paxi crossed a line.
 
I don't really find what @DT12 is writing as out of line or irrelevant to the thread at all unless I missed something.

Its not. People just have a hard time processing alternative views these days. Not everyone has to agree on a topic and there is such a thing as the ignore feature.
 
Not had much Internet on holiday. Good to see Ukrainian fighting back a little in the East, but depressing to see France, Germany and Italy now essentially swinging further than Hungary in open support for Russia’s war goals. It seems Russia’s new aim is to strangle and destroy as much of the global food supply as possible to blackmail the international community.

@DatIrishFella I think free speech is important. Once you start silencing idiots like @Paxi , all that happens is you lose the ability to change their mind - or even yours. You need to have difficult conversations, otherwise you end up with everyone pretending everything is going great, nobody is allowed to say anything that contradicts the company line, and you have essentially lost your freedom to have a different opinion. Basically, you end up like Russia and they go off and nothing gets any better. The second best thing you can do if you really don't like what they are saying is put them on ignore and let them talk themselves into a hole, because even they must have some sort of real understanding of their truth. The best thing you can do though, is exercise your free speech to change their mind.

If it's obvious they're paid by the Kremlin and are sitting in the "Internet Research Agency" in St Petersburg, that's a different matter. After all those guys are paid pretty well, and 85% of the Russian intelligence funding goes towards lying on the internet, at least according to Yuri Bezmenov... And it's hard to believe that that EVER changed.
I used to think this, but this sort of stance is what has ultimately led to Brexit, Trump et al. You should feel comfortable marginalising and not giving an undue level of respect to bad faith actors with bad faith arguments who simply want to sow confusion and doubt with no respect to objectivity. @harms said it well a few posts below.
 
Not had much Internet on holiday. Good to see Ukrainian fighting back a little in the East, but depressing to see France, Germany and Italy now essentially swinging further than Hungary in open support for Russia’s war goals. It seems Russia’s new aim is to strangle and destroy as much of the global food supply as possible to blackmail the international community.


I used to think this, but this sort of stance is what has ultimately led to Brexit, Trump et al. You should feel comfortable marginalising and not giving an undue level of respect to bad faith actors with bad faith arguments who simply want to sow confusion and doubt with no respect to objectivity. @harms said it well a few posts below.

Yeah free speech and democracy is a bitch when it doesn't swing our way.
 
Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.
 
Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.

What does this mean? I laughed when I read it, but I have no idea what it could ever mean. Is Russia going to invade Alaska?
 
Why would we want to have DT12 banned? He does believe that Russia will win, so what? Time will tell, but I have no doubts that Ukraine is winning this. Russian economy and army are suffering badly already and the worst is yet to come.
 
Reports on Twitter that Russia has lost two more generals either yesterday or today.

Major General Roman Kutuzov, commander of Russia's 5th army and General Roman Berdnikov commander of 29th Russian army.
 
It’s more for the integrity of the thread. You can’t really argue against the effects of such allowance when this was a cornerstone of Russian online strategy for the past decade imo.

I would agree that @Paxi offers little to the discussion and seems to go on an occasional drunken defense of his country but @DT12 offers a different view. I don't agree/like all he says but I don't feel he is derailing the thread.
 
Why would we want to have DT12 banned? He does believe that Russia will win, so what? Time will tell, but I have no doubts that Ukraine is winning this. Russian economy and army are suffering badly already and the worst is yet to come.

Water Melon are you from Ukraine or was it a nearby country?
 
What does this mean? I laughed when I read it, but I have no idea what it could ever mean. Is Russia going to invade Alaska?

Putin has had enough and is sending 10 men and 3 tanks towards the Golden Gate Bridge on a tugboat

Blyad americanskis
 
Why would we want to have DT12 banned? He does believe that Russia will win, so what? Time will tell, but I have no doubts that Ukraine is winning this. Russian economy and army are suffering badly already and the worst is yet to come.

I don't want to to see @DT12 banned either, even tho' he seems keen to push many aspects of the Kremlin narrative. Besides, I want to see what he/she has to say when Russia fails to reach the military objectives he cited, within the times-scales cited, if ever.
 
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What does this mean? I laughed when I read it, but I have no idea what it could ever mean. Is Russia going to invade Alaska?

Alaska comes later. According to some of their State TV pundits, Russia now aims to de-nazify NATO after they've done with Ukraine.
 
Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.
We may be running low on surplus supplies, but it has nothing to do with fearing Russia “coming our way”.

Supplies for the Army are irrelevant, because they wouldn’t make it through the Navy and Air Force.
 
Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.
We’ll be just fine.
 
Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.

Yeah, because even here in England, we'd so, so be terrified of Russia coming our way, such is the embarrassing performance of Russias military performance, let alone joined with America. We'd wipe you out in days, just the USA & UK, never mind the rest of NATO.

Self awareness isn't Russia's strong point, the damage caused internationally by Russuas army in this war has destroyed any mythical prowess the Russian Federation had, and the UK has had the Tories killing he defence force for nearly 20 years.
 
Catching up.



That is my top reason why I see justification for Ukraine to be given thse precision-guided missiles that can fly 500 km. Ukrainian forces could fire such missiles with the HIMARS from the Kyiv Oblast and then destroy those enemy artillery pieces, which are a nuisance.


A ratcheting up of pressure, especially on African nations who have done absolutely nothing but rely heavily on Ukrainian grain.
After that attack on the grain export terminal, this is where I wish Ukraine had one or two submarines in their inventory so they can sink anything that floats with the enemy flag.

If that incident doesn't push African nations and India to publicly turn their backs on Russia in protest, then I no longer know what else to say about them.