It would, but i'd wager the US army has a much bigger problem with neo-nazi's than the Ukrianian. Anyway, read that article.
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It would, but i'd wager the US army has a much bigger problem with neo-nazi's than the Ukrianian. Anyway, read that article.
"Everyone possible". Exactly. So why do you suppose they never thought to ask the US or UK governments to help negotiate the terms of their surrender? The governments who were lauding them as brave warriors who would never surrender or agree to be transported to Russia under any circumstance...even as they were literally begging to surrender and agreeing to be transported to Russia. Instead they were left to plead with parties who were very obviously powerless (the Pope, Musk, Erdogan) or else clearly unwilling (Xi Jinping) to do anything about them. Don't forget here - these same Azovstal defenders were fiercely criticising their own government long before they took to having to beg Russia's 'allies' to help them.
I dunno, I'm not sure that they didn't and I'm not entirely sure why it is relevant? Just glancing at the links you posted those seem to be about reletives pleading to China, the pope, etc. Not the men and women in Azovstal themselves. Would a plea to the US/UK government by their wives be worthy of a news story? They are Ukrainian armed forces and the surrender was negotiated when their commander in chief made the call, as one would expect.
They didn't, and that is what makes it relevant. Anyway I'll read your link and get back to you, but it's 2am over here and I'm off to bed now. Thanks for the respectful engagement.
Re. the 3 core aims of this "special military operation" you say that Putin (via Peskov) has “no doubts that they will be accomplished in full” and that "he doesn’t say stuff like this if he doesn’t strongly believe it’s a foregone conclusion." But what else do you expect him to say? He's hardly going to say that he expects failure, so his statement is no proof of anything.
You also claim that the Azov battalion's surrender was some great victory for Russia. But in reality what happened in Mariupol was that the Russians lost a ton of men and equipment, and were delayed by several months in being able to redeploy troops from there northward - time that helped Ukraine and hindered Russia.
Your claim that Ukrainian neutrality is "assured at this point" is laughable. Putin has turned Ukraine into Russia's most implacable enemy. It will never agree to to be de-militarised and sooner or later will join the EU and probably NATO also, however many years down the road this happens.
Your claim that the US and Europe is just sending Ukraine "the old crap they don't need anymore" is false. Stingers, Javelins, NLAWS, howitzers, Switchblades etc etc are clearly not "old crap".
You claim that living in a military town near St. Petersburg helps you "see with my own eyes" the falsity of the Western narrative. What I actually expect it helps you see is the wall-to-wall propaganda of Russian state TV, which you appear to have swallowed in large measure.
The reality is that Russia now has at least 80,000 men out of action, and probably well over 100,000. The reality is that Putin is going to great lengths to hide these casualties from the Russian people - even refusing to take back the many thousands of dead Russian now stored in chilled morgues inside Ukraine. The reality is that Russian economy is in steep decline, decline that will accelerate month by month as this war continues.
The notion that Russia will conquer Ukraine is a total fantasy.
Is this what your "psychic friend" told you? This one who assured you Putin was mortally ill?
Glaston my pal, you have posted nothing but absolute nonsense in this thread for the last 3 months (would you like me to pull up some of your greatest hits from mid to late March?) and you've given no indication you intend to slow down with the indiscriminate Twitter spam. All I'll say is that all these garbage tweets you have been dumping in this thread are the main reason it has become nigh-on useless as a place to actually discuss the realities of this war. Do however let me know when your "psychic friend" thinks Putin's check-out date is. Spokoinoiy nochi.
Can you link to examples of those? It's such a weird prognosis to make for obvious reasons and maybe I just missed that, but I don't really remember any governments hammering those assurances in.
I note that you did not answer any of the points I made - I wonder why. However ...
Reports of Putin being ill have come from many, many sources. Whether or not his illness is mortal remains to be seen. But no doubt your location in a Russian military town gives you the inside dope - possibly from a friend of a friend of a friend - on Putin's health.
None of my Twitter citations have been indiscriminate - they have all been relevant. So quit trying to attack the messenger because you don't like the messages.
Tell me this, my Russian propaganda-swallowing "friend", if the war in Ukraine is going so well for Russia, then why is it resorting to pulling 60 year-old tanks out of storage? And why have Russian lawmakers adopted a bill raising the upper age limit to 50 years for joining the military? And why won't Russia take back the many thousands of its dead soldiers being stored in morgues inside Ukraine? And why is Russia still not admit the sinking of its Black Sea flagship by Ukrainian missiles?
There are many more questions where those came from - none will be answered by your consumption of Russian State TV.
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I agree that Glaston has gone a bit far at times in some of the sources and info he has posted but a lot of the views he stated in his post are backed up by credible data. It's hard to have to go through each article or tweet from an official government source or think tank analyst to add credence to each claim that Glaston brought up. But credible Western military analysts, who predicted prior to the invasion that Russia would likely be successful in Ukraine and that they had mobilized enough troops to take all important objectives including Kyiv and Odesa (Michael Kofman comes to mind), have been pretty clear that Russia has not sufficiently regenerated its forces to achieve the only outcome for Russia that could be considered a strategic victory (demilitarisation of Ukraine).
You have brought up no facts or evidence to support that a demilitarized Ukraine is already assured, the only way this could be assured is if the government in Kyiv is replaced at this point, which there is no guarantee of in the short term at least. Have you considered that another explanation for the alarmist statements from Ukrainian officials in recent weeks might be to ensure that the war stays front and center in the minds of Western countries and to increase the credibility for their significant military asks? I think the one valid point you bring up is with regards to the $40 billion not all going to be devoted to military spending but as you state, much of this funding actually addresses the economic issues Ukraine are facing, which you have been quick to state is not being addressed and is already beyond repair for Ukraine + a key factor for their assured defeat. Plus, $40 billion only represents what the US are contributing but other countries are continuing to provide fresh weapons and aid to Ukraine also. When you add it up, there may not be as much of a gap between what is needed vs. what they are receiving.
I will respond to your post here rather than go through DT12's. I think his viewpoint is a very useful one to have, and many analysts have made incorrect predictions. I think your response is very sound.
There is a bigger point here for Western Europe and the US for me, which is the long game - if Putin wins, then he has more importantly shown that Europe and North America, and NATO, can be beaten. This is even more the case than if everyone had thrown up their hands in February and done nothing to help Ukraine.
This has grown into an almost existential fight, just like when the USSR and China were busy underwriting North Vietnam against the Americans, and when the Americans funded the Afghanis against the Soviets. There may well be a point at which Ukraine itself says "enough is enough" and seeks a negotiated settlement, as is their right. I just think that now 'the West' has so much invested there is no going back. This isn't like Afghanistan where you simply abandon a country and walk away.
Putin has shown he will use Russian forces to impose his own sphere of influence over Eastern Europe. If NATO et al walks away from Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia will be calculating that they are next. This will be a long war, and the worse Ukraine does (and here is my prediction which may well be proved wrong), the more NATO countries will feel they have to give more and more support.
I’m sorry, who?
Must be dark in Putin's arse.
Ya I agree with the points you bring up. I also think another important factor is that the inept Russian military performance means that NATO has stopped fearing Russia from a conventional perspective. The prior fears are pretty well illustrated here: Reinforcing Deterrence on NATO's Eastern Flank: Wargaming the Defense of the Baltics | RAND . The concern that senior officials now bring up isn't so much that they are worried of a costly war with Russia, but that NATO is so superior to Russia militarily that any engagement between the two will force Putin to use nuclear weapons once his conventional forces are wiped out. This viewpoint isn't going to be changed by Russia capturing several towns in the Donbas.
And what about the Russian army? Isn't it neo-nazi as a whole? They claim the country they invaded does not have the right to exist! They moved Ukrainian populations to Russia like the Nazis did to Jews. If this isn't neo-nazi, what is?
The Russian army did this:
Russia is guilty of inciting genocide in Ukraine, expert report concludes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/27/russia-guilty-inciting-genocide-ukraine-expert-report
Russia is guilty of inciting genocide and having the intent to commit genocide in Ukraine, legally obliging other countries to stop it, according to a new report by more than 30 internationally recognised legal scholars and experts.
Yeh that should go without saying at this point. The Russian state is the very embodiment of a modern Nazi Germany.
They don't wear German WW2 inspired badge on their arms though, that seems to be the defining factor to some people.
There's no better way to play to you Musk audience than telling him he's the only one in the world with the power to do something. That's actually really smart, he must have loved it.
Lads lads, you’re just swallowing the western propaganda. Clearly.
Yes, absolutely!
Sarcasm aside, I do not understand what the "other side" wants. They don't propose anything clearly. For example, I say "Help Ukraine win, give them everything possible, arms, money, even F-16 if it is feasible". I complain for countries doing too little to help because I want Ukraine to win, I want Russia to lose, it is very clear, I am not hiding anything. It can happen if we help them, because US+UK+EU are so much stronger than Russia. It is only a question of how much help we are going to send, and how soon we send it. Do more! Do it faster!
But what does the other side want? They say things like "the Russians are winning", "we should accept reality", "we should not accept Ukrainian propaganda", "the sanctions are not doing anything", "western economies have been hit harder than the Russian economy". Okay, so what exactly do they want us to do? Do nothing and let Putin win? Stop helping Ukraine altogether and forget them? Or perhaps help Putin instead? Why not, if Putin is the future perhaps we should help him? (Because obviously, the "other side" is not asking for us to do more, for a full embargo, for the USAF to intervene, etc.)
Do you have any idea what exactly does the "other side" want?
This dude reads like he walked off one of those Russian TV shows we see clips of
Don't you know that you can't say those kinds of things here? The international community is not the majority of the world you know. It's the white mostly Anglo-Saxon world. The rest don't count unless you are part of Europe. And that also the white Europe.
Putin is not going to win. First of all, the news that we are reading are far from being real news. Especially when it comes to weapons and armoury that is being sent to Ukraine. In reality so much more is going on behind the scenes. Secondly, Russian economy is getting f..cked with each and every day. Again I can see many even non-civilian industry contracts being cancelled. Russia will not be able to pay interests on its bonds, thus it will be a technical default come July. Things will get much worse come autumn. Neighbouring states are f..cking scared of doing any serious business with Putin as well. Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are floating away, while Azerbaijan is getting even more and more closer to Turkey. Parallel import (which is leading to increase of prices in Russia) will stop as soon as the USA say enough. No CIS country will risk getting disconnected from SWIFT and funding of international financial institutions. РЖД are fecked, Aeroflot is fecked, and once they start running out of critical spares, they will collapse. ВПК is done for as well, as there is no point in buying Sukhois, tanks or Sopkas without western components inside. When it comes to intelligence and reconaissance equipment Russia is decades behind technology-wise. We are talking about an industry that can not produce an automatic transmission for local cars, not even a fecking airbag. The only puppet that Putin has now is Lukashenko, the ruler of a country whose economy is pretty much on its last legs. No bloody way Putin wins this war and no bloody way he is supported from a military point of view by any other country bar Belarus. He is done. Let his daughter become the leader of Единая Россия and let him think that he can do whatever he wants. The rushist will be defeated.
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He really does. In reality, China is distancing itself away from Putin, Erdogan is as pro-NATO as possible, for now is just playing his game to make some gains. Bayraktars have inflicted HUGE losses on Russian forces and will continue to do so. Once import of Russian oil and gas by EU decreases further, rose tinted glasses will fall off and harsh reality kick in.
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@DT12 You should put your thoughts and time into the thousands of civilians and soldiers killed in this war by that psychopat called putin, instead of spreading your side of the propaganda and debunking every little twitter message.
To make you happy, i would say Ukraine can't really win this war, too much damage has been done in terms of casualties and destruction of cities/infrastructure. The only thing they can do is defend their sovereignty and being their own decision makers in Ukraine's future, instead of some Putin puppet.
To make you happy, i would say Ukraine can't really win this war, too much damage has been done in terms of casualties and destruction of cities/infrastructure. The only thing they can do is defend their sovereignty and being their own decision makers in Ukraine's future, instead of some Putin puppet.
What's your background mate, the underlined would imply that you're Russian
I am not a Russian citizen, but a native Russian speaker. I can just say that I am fairly well informed and there is no bloody way the rushist wins this war. The Russian industry is dead. The bunker gnome has lost it. He has no real support from outside world and his citizens are fleeing their country en masse. I am seeing tens of thousands Russian "tourists" in my hometown alone, and most of those that I talked to support the chief rushist's actions. Unbelievable.
Well no shit, Russia doesnt have an adequate semi conductor industry
The issue is if these equipments have been sold after the Crimea sanctions (which is very likely), then it is a problem.
Absolutely correct.
Where’s that if you don’t mind me asking? I thought that most that fled the country either oppose the war or, at least, don’t want to get involved into politics (which is a coward-ish cop put but to each their own).
Fleeing Russia because of the sanctions while supporting the war is yet another incredible twist in their already completely messed up logic.
It is to the south of Russia in one of the Central Asian countries. You are right @harms . It looks like TV propaganda has done an incredible job of brainwashing the citizens minds. People who have relocated (majority think it is temporary and are considering to go back once the war is over and sanctions are lifted) believe that it is Zelenskyy who actually is in fault. Should have gone to Putin, made some concessions and avoided the war. "Now, because of this комика-хохла and fecking yankees the whole world is in mess". Unbloodybelievable. If you ever decide to relocate, let me know. I will help in any way I can. Things are very unlikely to get better anytime soon in Russia.
Please take your unfounded victim complex and feck right off.
I don’t want to rattle anyone but there is no way in this conflict where Russia doesn’t get heard.
Let me make something clear; I’m anti war but there is obvious pretext for people of LNR, DNR. If you don’t recognise them then you don’t recognise Kosovo — you can’t have your cake and eat it.
Secondly, I have second/first hand experience from the front line. I have shown @harms pictures of my father whom was in GRU at the height of the two Chechen wars. He has relayed to me some very grim information but not what is being portrayed in the media.
Thirdly, someone that has served int the UK military myself, it’s absolutely fecking mental, to see this thread turn into a football forum thread where people are just throwing baseless accusations just because people have a difference of opinion.
Let me make something clear; I’m anti war but there is obvious pretext for people of LNR, DNR. If you don’t recognise them then you don’t recognise Kosovo — you can’t have your cake and eat it.
Secondly, I have second/first hand experience from the front line. I have shown @harms pictures of my father whom was in GRU at the height of the two Chechen wars. He has relayed to me some very grim information but not what is being portrayed in the media.
Thirdly, someone that has served int the UK military myself, it’s absolutely fecking mental, to see this thread turn into a football forum thread where people are just throwing baseless accusations just because people have a difference of opinion.
What information?
That it’s extremely difficult (he described first Chechen war as very simple) and Russians take particular contempt to foreign fighters — see Ukrainians as just Russians but «упёртыми»
My dad has stressed to me that he has never seen such artillery fire.
He has also said that a lot of Russians whom just joined the army because (it’s relatively good) the pay.. in Russia. Absolutely no dissident in infantry forces as far as he could tell. I made an absolute mission to ask him about this. I did. He just said — it’s war!
I have been in Luhanks and Donetsk many many times. What the orcs did there was horrible. Fecking horrible. Russia is fecked both mid-term and long-term, while Luhansk and Donetsk will be back within Ukranian borders. There is only one f..cking aggressor in this war and the chief rushist himself and his fecking army of orcs will be defeated. Everyone remembers the whole Ichkeria story and Grozny in particular, Georgia, the atrocities in Crimea. Some people still remember Holodomor. We have also seen and heard from Putin himself what he thinks of Ukraine as a country and Ukranians as a nation. Big middle finger to the cnut, and everyone who is supporting him knowingly.
So this is unacceptable. Why are you referring to anyone as an orc?
Because they are orcs. They are there to kill people for money. They are killing civilians for fun, raping both kids and elderlies, showing their true fecking nature of sadistic cruelty. I am absoultely sure that Ukranians consider them to be orcs and they know it first hand. Orcs being led by a rushist.