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Emm, being part of the Ukrainian genocide is not enough for you?

Rostov is not in Siberia and Red Cross having access to the displaced Ukrainians is not contributing to genocide.

Red Cross can’t do its job if it was boycotting terrorist states like Putin’s regime. RC needs their cooperation to do its job.
 
I know what manufacturing consent is, I just don't think your comparison to authoritarian/totalitarian countries is correct. The Chinese in particular are victims of an extremely dense system of propaganda. Now, you might argue that western propaganda is more subtle (because it has to be), but it's definitely not more effective.
Exactly, it's far more subtle. That's why it tends to be far more effective, but an argument for a different thread maybe. The Chinese example would need qualification.
What do you think of the UK's D Notice system?
Wasn't overly familiar with it, but I know what you mean. A good example but I would argue the best propaganda is not via censorship at all (not as we think of it).
 


Emm, being part of the Ukrainian genocide is not enough for you?

Red Cross are only concerned with people not dying, they'll smooch the devil if it means less civilian casualties. On the point of facilitating the movement of people to refugee camps, they've always done that. You guys may not like them talking and liasing with the enemy but red criss have always tried to be apolitical.
 
You gotta love Russia talking about saving civilian lives while they bomb the shit out of them.

It's just a bit surreal.
 
I know what manufacturing consent is, I just don't think your comparison to authoritarian/totalitarian countries is correct. The Chinese in particular are victims of an extremely dense system of propaganda. Now, you might argue that western propaganda is more subtle (because it has to be), but it's definitely not more effective.

Thanks for the link though, I'm sure someone who hasn't seen it will take a look.

Edit: it's on YouTube in better quality

The main reason why Russian and Chinese propaganda is effective (inside their own countries) is because the regimes there control all of the available media. It's not hard to be effective when the public have very little access to any counter-narratives. It's even easier when most people are afraid to say anything out of turn.
 
The levels of whatabout that will follow this...
And rightly so. Criticizing why some refugees are ok and others no should make us look deep into our institutional (and no institutional) racism. Specially if the other conflicts the west had been an active part of the problem
 
Wasn't Shoigu the only member of the government that was said to still be close to Putin at the beginning ofnthe war? And wasn't he also one of the siloviki?

Wonder how that came to be.
I wouldn’t call him one if siloviki, those are the people from FSB/FSS/police, Shoigu was originally the head of emergency situations ministry (firefighters etc.) before switching to ministry of defense. He’s very close to Putin and there were no prior indications of him disapproving if the invasion though.
 
Have they sanctioned abrahomivic yet ... or still leaving him alone as he bribed a bunch or Israeli polititians made some generous donations to holocaust charities

I think they're going light on Roman because Zelinskyy told them he would make a good envoy between Russian and Ukrainian sides.
 
so Ireland announces up to 200,000 and the USA announces half that. Nice

A total embarrassment for a country that has tons of land left to relocate about everyone.

That being said, American xenophobes can be outright told to feck off to the respective countries of their European ancestors if they have a problem with immigration.
 
A total embarrassment for a country that has tons of land left to relocate about everyone.

That being said, American xenophobes can be outright told to feck off to the respective countries of their European ancestors if they have a problem with immigration.

True, but we are trying to help these people so sending them to Idaho or the Dakota's might just be downright cruel.
 
Red Cross are only concerned with people not dying, they'll smooch the devil if it means less civilian casualties. On the point of facilitating the movement of people to refugee camps, they've always done that. You guys may not like them talking and liasing with the enemy but red criss have always tried to be apolitical.
I get that, but there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed when an organisation is helping civilians. I don’t want to be a position where the funds I have donated to help those civilians are being channelled in a way that somewhat launders the reputation of those who have caused all the civilian harm in the first place.

I only hope the Ukrainian Red Cross’s funds are ring-fenced from this. Ditto the British Red Cross’s too from the DEC fund.
 
Just watching President Biden NATO news conference. He is much more comfortable speaking without a pre prepared statement than with one.
But not a particularly clear speaker. Seems to mumble a lot.
 
Just watching President Biden NATO news conference. He is much more comfortable speaking without a pre prepared statement than with one.
But not a particularly clear speaker. Seems to mumble a lot.

Biden had stuttered speech as a child so that's why he still has some lapses.
 
They never learn do they? Appeasing Putin didn’t teach them much.
Well they need China’s help to stop Putin. And to be honest I don’t know if the West can afford to start a trade war with China. China is not Russia. They own so much in Europe.
This is the size of their investment in the UK & EU.

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And it is “diversified”, in order to buy them as much influence as possible.

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Even relatively small economies like Portugal and Ireland are targeted. It’s a smart strategy to make sure China always have some political influence.
 
So they start arming Russia. Then what? Bend over?

They aren't though and several factors incentivize them against that. RUS and CHI are regional rivals and it doesn't benefit China in any way to fuel Putin's agenda by supplying them with arms. They are just as interdependent on the globalized economy as the west and aren't seeking to upset their growth trajectory.

Overall, I haven't seen any evidence that either China or the west would benefit more from being entirely self-sufficient. Generally, the globalized economy helps both and people know that on both sides. Isolationism generally isn't the best policy.
 
That's the WaPo, isn't it?
No, that’s WaPo. WSJ is conservative and owned by Murdoch but not as crazy and more respectable than say the NY Post or its other US equivalents.

Ahh my bad. Too many acronyms. Yes I think the WSJ does like Trump although they did call him out last year as well telling the GOP to abandon him. I think they would be a traditionally right leaning paper because they like money.
 
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No, that’s WaPo. WSJ is conservative and owned by Murdoch but not as crazy and more respectable than say the NY Post or its other US equivalents.

We'll never know just how compromised and up Putin's ass Murdoch is, but it does make me worry when one of his 'respectable' operations goes investigating and publishing details of how/when/where Ukrainian supplies are being moved.
 
:lol: This guy... Is going to be a fun/interesting/tragic twitter account to follow.

Stumbled on him somehow when he had 200 followers bragging that he's heading out to Ukraine. Probably doing him a massive disservice here, fair play for going etc, his life is on the line... but he comes across as yer stereotypical american atention seeking military dumbass war tourist type.

Hopefully he doesn't get people killed with his twitter posts or forgetting to turn off location services. He's just reached the front lines...


 
Biden and his undisciplined messaging strike again, this time re: chemical weapons use & potential response:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...live-updates/#link-HCEK5PRFA5BO3INO3363CK6RYE
“We would respond. We would respond,” Biden said. “If [Putin] uses it, the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use.”
(...)
“It would trigger a response in kind,” Biden said. “Whether or not you’re asking whether NATO would cross … we’d make that decision at the time.”

If that is a misquote and actually he said "of some kind" then it needs to be clarified ASAP. It also doesn't sync with what he said before, because the US regards chemical and biological weapons as WMD, and the US doesn't have (at least officially) any chemical or biological weapons, so a response 'in kind' = nukes.
 
What a character :lol: . I read a description recently that one way or another - some for worse reasons than others - nearly all foreign fighters in these conflicts are lost souls. He seems to fit the bill also, but brave of him to go out there and get in the fight.

What a character :D

 
They aren't though and several factors incentivize them against that. RUS and CHI are regional rivals and it doesn't benefit China in any way to fuel Putin's agenda by supplying them with arms. They are just as interdependent on the globalized economy as the west and aren't seeking to upset their growth trajectory.

Overall, I haven't seen any evidence that either China or the west would benefit more from being entirely self-sufficient. Generally, the globalized economy helps both and people know that on both sides. Isolationism generally isn't the best policy.
Tell that to Putin and Kim jung un and the rest of the mad fkrs. Now you'll say oh but China isnt like that. Well they are literally committing genocide against the Uyghurs so I would say that would qualify as mad fkrs. And thats just the start of what they have been up to. They have already publicly stated that they will take Taiwan and form it into China even though Taiwan wants to remain independent. Tibet and Hong Kong as well. What does that sound like? Russia/Ukraine? They have said they want to be the leading nation by 2049 or something. They have hacked numerous systems - Microsoft enterprise etc just like Russia was hacking multiple systems.. I can go on and on. Loads of people have been warning about China for years just like Russia. Yes they might stay out of Russia for now. Its probably not in their best interests - at the moment. But they they want to and will fk up the West anyway they can. Say what you want about the sht US and UK and the West have done. And they have done a lot of bad sht but if China/Russia etc is running things we are all fkd.

And thats the point Im making. We need to stop thinking that they think like Westerners. They dont. They have an authoritarian system. Its the same mistake we made with Hitler. Now Putin. Oh it makes no sense. Why would they do something like that. They wont do it. But history tells us otherwise. Why dont we learn.