Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

... I guess the rift between Shoygu and Putin is real, the question only seems to be how it plays out in the end.

Not a good look for Putin if he accuses his own Defence Minister of treason. It would only add to unease amongst the Russian public.
 
Anyone working for Putin that's not family is expendable. If they fail to realise that, they won't live long.
 
Interesting move

I'm not sure how thats going to work though as I doubt the contracts were written in a way that allows such a change?

Contracts, really, does anyone think Russia cares about pieces of papers or legality. Are we living in our computer rooms?
 
Contracts, really, does anyone think Russia cares about pieces of papers or legality. Are we living in our computer rooms?
I was thinking more about the buyers

If there was a facility in the contract that allowed the currency to be changed with a weeks notice then I can see them going along with it

But I expect there isn't so I can't see people doing it
 

What's crazy to me (with my limited understanding) is how the Russian ground forces seemingly cannot exploit any penetration. It makes sense not to waste resources on taking a town like Kharkiv if you want to get past it, advance all the way to like Dnipro, and then basically cut off the Ukranian forces in the Donbass. But they haven't shown the ability or intention to make those thrusts. It's like war in slow motion, as if they didn't study their own Great Patriotic War.
 
I was thinking more about the buyers

If there was a facility in the contract that allowed the currency to be changed with a weeks notice then I can see them going along with it

But I expect there isn't so I can't see people doing it

hey? Even if there was a facility or no facility if I am Russian I will say if you want gas then pay in rubles if not feck off.
 
hey? Even if there was a facility or no facility if I am Russian I will say if you want gas then pay in rubles if not feck off.

The EU is trying to convince Germany and Hungary to accept an oil embargo and Putin comes in and helps by cutting the gas anyway? Also, doesn't this free the EU to cut the remaining Russian banks from SWIFT?

It doesn't make sense for them, especially when they need the money to keep the war going.
 
hey? Even if there was a facility or no facility if I am Russian I will say if you want gas then pay in rubles if not feck off.
That is bizarre request. Why can't they buy roubles with the euro they get from the gas contracts themselves ? The effect will be the same. Also, at the moment Russsia needs money more than Europe needs gas.
 


An upper end estimate of 15,000 dead Russians. If that many are actually dead, it would suggest 60,000 Russian troops now out of action - not far short of one third of their entire estimated invasion force of 190k.
 
Yeah that's the point I'm making. Times have changed. Humanity comes first. Maybe it's unique to Russia-Ukraine but hopefully we see more scenes like this in other conflict areas where the brotherhood of man triumphs over lines on a map.
I was thinking more about the buyers

If there was a facility in the contract that allowed the currency to be changed with a weeks notice then I can see them going along with it

But I expect there isn't so I can't see people doing it
Usually gas contracts give Europeans a theoretical OPTION to pay in rubles instead of EUR/USD (which is never exercised I think), but there is no obligation and Russians cannot contractually force them to switch currency. So that would be completely at the discretion of Europeans.

Putin is just being nasty and trying to show he is serious. Such things might make headlines, but in the grand scheme of things payment in rubles does not make a huge difference - the demand for rubles on foreign exchange market will just be now generated by Europeans instead of Gazprom (plus some gas is also purchased on spot market vs LT contracts) . The slight difference is that the new situation would basically be equivalent to russian government forcing Gazprom to sell 100% of foreign currency gas revenues (and they already force to sell 80% since the beginning of war anyway).

Now all of this assuming that Europeans would go along and buy rubles and pay with them. There are indications already that many won't and I do not think that Russia would reject euro payments, hurting themselves (but i guess last month proved that you cannot be sure about such things when it comes to Russia).

Anyway mid- and long-term it just further undermines credibility of Russia as a supplier, raises more fears that it might stop providing gas altogether and acts as a further incentive for Europe to forgo Russian oil and gas asap to avoid pain from sudden switch-off.
 
Usually gas contracts give Europeans a theoretical OPTION to pay in rubles instead of EUR/USD (which is never exercised I think), but there is no obligation and Russians cannot contractually force them to switch currency. So that would be completely at the discretion of Europeans.

Putin is just being nasty and trying to show he is serious. Such things might make headlines, but in the grand scheme of things payment in rubles does not make a huge difference - the demand for rubles on foreign exchange market will just be now generated by Europeans instead of Gazprom (plus some gas is also purchased on spot market vs LT contracts) . The slight difference is that the new situation would basically be equivalent to russian government forcing Gazprom to sell 100% of foreign currency gas revenues (and they already force to sell 80% since the beginning of war anyway).

Now all of this assuming that Europeans would go along and buy rubles and pay with them. There are indications already that many won't and I do not think that Russia would reject euro payments, hurting themselves (but i guess last month proved that you cannot be sure about such things when it comes to Russia).

Anyway mid- and long-term it just further undermines credibility of Russia as a supplier, raises more fears that it might stop providing gas altogether and acts as a further incentive for Europe to forgo Russian oil and gas asap to avoid pain from sudden switch-off.
So what's the alternative ?

Coal ?

Iran ?

The US wants to get back in Maduro's good books and wants the nuclear deal with Iran done to get Iranian oil back on the market but the Iranians don't seem too keen. Saudi and OPEC aren't playing ball and neither is China and that's just the oil. What about the natural gas ?
 
Indeed I confused it with Kazakhstan, my mistake. Nonetheless as long as we rely on a country under Russia's influence we would have a problem.

No worries, I wondered if you had, too, or if I missed a big geopolitical story. :lol:
 
Been doing a little reading on the Russian battalion tactical group concept and what it’s limitations are, and honestly they really do start to fall apart when you get into urban terrain. The BTG has a very small infantry component, backed by a relatively small amount of combat vehicles. They’re not capable of sustaining the types of losses that are to be expected in an urban combat environment.

Here’s a great essay on the Russian BTG vs US BCT concept. It includes a good chart showing what kind of casualties each can sustain before becoming combat ineffective.

https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2017/spring/2Fiore17.pdf

 
Are Russian troops up against huge numbers of Ukrainians?

They said that Ukrainian men couldn't leave the country and would have to defend the country, so in the capital, in theory there could be 3k Russian troops up against 18k Ukrainian troops/armed personnel?

Just trying to work out whether this is the Russians being shite, or them just up against a HUGE number.
 
Are Russian troops up against huge numbers of Ukrainians?

They said that Ukrainian men couldn't leave the country and would have to defend the country, so in the capital, in theory there could be 3k Russian troops up against 18k Ukrainian troops/armed personnel?

Just trying to work out whether this is the Russians being shite, or them just up against a HUGE number.

While there are a lot of volounteers, I assume most people still haven't been armed. Before these men become active combatants they need to be trained and armed, which will take time.
 
Israel blocked Ukraine from buying Pegasus spyware, fearing Russia’s anger

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/23/israel-ukraine-pegasus-spyware-russia

Israel blocked Ukraine from buying NSO Group’s Pegasus spyware for fear that Russian officials would be angered by the sale of the sophisticated hacking tool to a regional foe, according to people familiar with the matter.

The revelation, following a joint investigation by the Guardian and Washington Post, offers new insight into the way Israel’s relationship with Russia has at times undermined Ukraine’s offensive capabilities – and contradicted US priorities.

The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has been critical of Israel’s stance since Russia launched its full and bloody invasion of Ukraine on 24 February, saying in a recent address before members of Israel’s Knesset that Israel would have to “give answers” on why it had not given weapons to Ukraine or applied sanctions on Russians

I don’t understand, Israel literally depends on the US for everything but they don’t seem bothered about biting the hand that feeds them. Russia is basically on the same side as them in Syria, however Russia doesn’t stand a chance in a conventional encounter with Israel based on their ability to wage war in Ukraine

I can kind of understand India’s position of walking a tightrope, but Israel is being pathetic. Maybe they just don’t want the world’s scorn turned on them, as questions will be asked of their own attitude to killing civilians.

Lots of Russians in Israel, might be that too.
 
So what's the alternative ?

Coal ?

Iran ?

The US wants to get back in Maduro's good books and wants the nuclear deal with Iran done to get Iranian oil back on the market but the Iranians don't seem too keen. Saudi and OPEC aren't playing ball and neither is China and that's just the oil. What about the natural gas ?
Europe can actually forgo Russian gas entirely, it all depends on the price it is prepared to pay. But I have not seen any estimations that say that it would trigger some horrible unprecedented crisis. Recession, yes - but for instance for Germany (one of the most Russian-gas-dependent countries) the worst case estimate is 3% fall in GDP and every German on average would be poorer by 1000 EUR IN TOTAL over all the crisis time (so nor per month/year), which is bearable (milder than covid of 2008-09 crises) as long as the government can help the poorest.

It is not that it is not enough gas in the world without Russia, the price will just spike a lot until the alternative sources are developed - maybe you would need temporary rationing to make sure households have it and the industries that use gas heavily like chemistry bear the brunt - but economists disagree on whether rationing would be needed. Any solution would be a combination of increased liquefied natural gas imports from the US/Qatar etc via sea (problem is that you need a couple of years to build terminals), more renewables and energy efficiency. If Europe really commits and is prepared to endure pain for a couple of years it can do it. Whether a complete ban would stop Putin is another question, of course.
 
What's crazy to me (with my limited understanding) is how the Russian ground forces seemingly cannot exploit any penetration. It makes sense not to waste resources on taking a town like Kharkiv if you want to get past it, advance all the way to like Dnipro, and then basically cut off the Ukranian forces in the Donbass. But they haven't shown the ability or intention to make those thrusts. It's like war in slow motion, as if they didn't study their own Great Patriotic War.
See my post above about the BTG’s limitations. It could explain why they’re unable to exploit gains… they could be losing too many men / material in the initial assault to be able to execute any kind of immediate follow up operations.
 
Europe can actually forgo Russian gas entirely, it all depends on the price it is prepared to pay. But I have not seen any estimations that say that it would trigger some horrible unprecedented crisis. Recession, yes - but for instance for Germany (one of the most Russian-gas-dependent countries) the worst case estimate is 3% fall in GDP and every German on average would be poorer by 1000 EUR IN TOTAL over all the crisis time (so nor per month/year), which is bearable (milder than covid of 2008-09 crises) as long as the government can help the poorest.

It is not that it is not enough gas in the world without Russia, the price will just spike a lot until the alternative sources are developed - maybe you would need temporary rationing to make sure households have it and the industries that use gas heavily like chemistry bear the brunt - but economists disagree on whether rationing would be needed. Any solution would be a combination of increased liquefied natural gas imports from the US/Qatar etc via sea (problem is that you need a couple of years to build terminals), more renewables and energy efficiency. If Europe really commits and is prepared to endure pain for a couple of years it can do it. Whether a complete ban would stop Putin is another question, of course.
Which are all very costly and would definitely push energy to a stage where it effects the average person more than 1000 EUR over the crisis time. I mean gas prices surged 34% just after the announcement that he wanted to sell gas in roubles.

Imagine when there's no Russian gas in Europe.
 
Which are all very costly and would definitely push energy to a stage where it effects the average person more than 1000 EUR over the crisis time. I mean gas prices surged 34% just after the announcement that he wanted to sell gas in roubles.

Imagine when there's no Russian gas in Europe.

Renewables and energy efficiency measures are cheaper than gas...they don't require any fuel for one thing.
 
Renewables and energy efficiency measures are cheaper than gas...they don't require any fuel for one thing.
They aren't actually cheaper, they're about the same price.

But they also require fossil fuels to make.
 
Which are all very costly and would definitely push energy to a stage where it effects the average person more than 1000 EUR over the crisis time. I mean gas prices surged 34% just after the announcement that he wanted to sell gas in roubles.

Imagine when there's no Russian gas in Europe.
All of this was included in 1000 EUR estimate already, they of course considered not only the direct price effects, would have been pretty amateurish to do so :) The one-time increase (it was close to 20% actually) does not translate to automatic increase in what Europe pays, not all the gas is bought on the spot market, some is bought via long-term contracts which do not correspond to current price one-to-one. Plus as the energy sources are replaced, gas prices would go down. But above all, historically it wasn't energy price shocks that triggered the biggest recessions like Great Depression/2008-2009/covid. 70s recessions/stagflation was bad but not as bad - and let us not forget that oil prices were jumping at least as much as now if not more at the time. My point is that we are likely talking about average-sized recession as a price to pay at worst but not some massive collapse.
 
The BBC reports:

"British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is set to announce on Thursday that the UK will provide Ukraine with about 6,000 extra missiles.

At the Nato and G7 leaders' meetings in Brussels, Johnson will also unveil £25m ($33m) of funding to help pay Ukrainian soldiers and pilots.

The UK government will also provide £4.1m for the BBC World Service to help support its Ukrainian and Russian language services in the region.

"The United Kingdom will work with our allies to step up military and economic support to Ukraine, strengthening their defences as they turn the tide in this fight," Johnson said.

"One month into this crisis, the international community faces a choice. We can keep the flame of freedom alive in Ukraine, or risk it being snuffed out across Europe and the world."

Britain said the new package will come on top of around 4,000 missiles already provided by the UK to Ukrainian forces.

The latest funding is in addition to £400m already committed in humanitarian and economic aid, said UK officials."
 
That sound you just heard was Fox News and the Trumplican Party shitting a collective brick

Let's hope so - Tucker Carlson in particular, when they reveal nice little monthly "additions" to his bank account.