Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

A lot of Ukrainian people I follow on Twitter were convinced last night that the whole thing was a ruse by Russia. I thought they were being very paranoid, but this is odd.
They could be onto something. Zelenskyy is now talking openly that Ukraine are not really welcome in NATO. I will not be surprised if some sort of agreement is reached soon. However, I do hope that sanctions remain in force for as long as Putin and his cronies are in charge.
 
Thank makes some sense when you think back to the falklands

and I found reference to the actual definition which is



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so North Africa possibly is covered?

I originally read the actual article as the "Tropic of Cancer" limitation only counting for the last part of it, which is "islands in the North Atlantic", but according to Wikipedia the US and NATO said that an attack on Hawaii probably wouldn't trigger the article. That's kinda crazy.
 
I originally read the actual article as the "Tropic of Cancer" limitation only counting for the last part of it, which is "islands in the North Atlantic", but according to Wikipedia the US and NATO said that an attack on Hawaii probably wouldn't trigger the article. That's kinda crazy.
I would guess by the same rational China sinking a boat around Senkaku Islands / Diaoyudao Islands / Diaoyutai Islands would equally not be a NATO issue as well ... A diplomatic issue sure but probably not one that obliged NATO members to act in a certain way
 
We’ve had an ostensibly hostile Russia since at least 2007 (Putin’s speech in Munich), it’s just we pretended that we could still do business. If Russia remains hostile, then so be it - this is ultimately about restoring balance in Europe around a revanchist state with destructive nationalistic tendencies and an over-inflated sense of its current economic and military power.

No we've had a hostile Putin that is not the same thing, it's a very important distinction.
The goal of everyone should be an integrated Russia and instilling a desire in its citizens for a global community. Hopefully that comes quickly with Putin toppled but if it may not.
 
Assume that one has a residential building/apartment complex which was destroyed by Russian tank/bomb/whatever. How does someone go about rebuilding it, once this is all over? Who pays for that stuff?
I’m assuming insurance won’t pay for property destroyed by war..?

Depends. My parent's house was semi-destroyed during the Lebanese Civil War (75-90), no one helped rebuild shit.
 
Such as... Jen?

More sanctions!

Makes me laugh, I watched the Russian YouTube channel someone linked a couple of days ago on here, when asked if the sanctions are affecting them 95% of random people on the street said no.

Russia basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, short of using nukes, given than no one will intervene militarily.
 
More sanctions!

Makes me laugh, I watched the Russian YouTube channel someone linked a couple of days ago on here, when asked if the sanctions are affecting them 95% of random people on the street said no.

Russia basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, short of using nukes, given than no one will intervene militarily.
In reality, sanctions are hurting them bad already.
 
More sanctions!

Makes me laugh, I watched the Russian YouTube channel someone linked a couple of days ago on here, when asked if the sanctions are affecting them 95% of random people on the street said no.

Russia basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, short of using nukes, given than no one will intervene militarily.
You could ask most Britons whether Brexit is hurting them and the results would be just as meaningless in the short term.
 
More sanctions!

Makes me laugh, I watched the Russian YouTube channel someone linked a couple of days ago on here, when asked if the sanctions are affecting them 95% of random people on the street said no.

Russia basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, short of using nukes, given than no one will intervene militarily.

Another with a boner for World War 3 and no idea of reality.

Sanctions take time to come into effect, there are already videos of people kicking off in supermarkets cause stuff isn’t available for instance. Just has to take time to build up cumulatively. Imagine what it’ll be like when there’s no food whatsoever and nothing but propaganda on the TV whilst families all over Russia are questioning why their young son/brother/father/cousin has gone missing or returns back in a box.
 
No we've had a hostile Putin that is not the same thing, it's a very important distinction.
The goal of everyone should be an integrated Russia and instilling a desire in its citizens for a global community. Hopefully that comes quickly with Putin toppled but if it may not.

I hope you are right but I fear Putin is more than just a bogeyman holding in check his citizens.
 
No we've had a hostile Putin that is not the same thing, it's a very important distinction.
The goal of everyone should be an integrated Russia and instilling a desire in its citizens for a global community. Hopefully that comes quickly with Putin toppled but if it may not.

These aren't necessarily desirable outcomes for a number of Russians though. Significant parts of Russian society, especially in the east, are strongly nationalist, distrustful of the western world and broadly supportive of an isolationist and a strongly anti western government.

Putin is a product of this, not the cause.

Never underestimate his popularity.
 
More sanctions!

Makes me laugh, I watched the Russian YouTube channel someone linked a couple of days ago on here, when asked if the sanctions are affecting them 95% of random people on the street said no.

Russia basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, short of using nukes, given than no one will intervene militarily.

:lol:
 
More sanctions!

Makes me laugh, I watched the Russian YouTube channel someone linked a couple of days ago on here, when asked if the sanctions are affecting them 95% of random people on the street said no.

Russia basically has carte blanche to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, short of using nukes, given than no one will intervene militarily.

and the other 5% were never seen again :lol:
 


My personal belief is that clearly Putin has no regard for lives, not even those of his own people - beyond their value to strategic calculations - and that his motto is: if I can, I will.

So unfortunately what Kasparov writes (and has for years) makes a lot of sense to me. Of course I also understand the counter argument of the risk of escalation, but how does that approach actually play out? Putin's army keeps killing, but only in the tens or hundreds of thousands and then at some point they just pack it in?

Is that really more likely than the Russians escalating the brutality further and further until they have finally gone too far? Especially considering what seems to be done against Mariupol?
 
These aren't necessarily desirable outcomes for a number of Russians though. Significant parts of Russian society, especially in the east, are strongly nationalist, distrustful of the western world and broadly supportive of an isolationist and a strongly anti western government.

Putin is a product of this, not the cause.

Never underestimate his popularity.
Russia surely has their “Fox News” style conservatives, as well as their “Trump style” true believers, who will embrace any illogical contradiction in defense of their “team”.
 
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Russia surely had their “Fox News” style conservatives, as well as their “Trump style” true believers, who will embrace any illogical contradiction in defense of their “team”.

The majority of mainstream Russian media is heavily state influenced, there are of course exceptions but in the main, the print and broadcast journalism isn't very nuanced.

You're right though, some people are naturally more open minded than others, but you have to remember that anti-western resentment is decades, if not centuries old and runs very deeply.
 


My personal belief is that clearly Putin has no regard for lives, not even those of his own people - beyond their value to strategic calculations - and that his motto is: if I can, I will.

So unfortunately what Kasparov writes (and has for years) makes a lot of sense to me. Of course I also understand the counter argument of the risk of escalation, but how does that approach actually play out? Putin's army keeps killing, but only in the tens or hundreds of thousands and then at some point they just pack it in?

Is that really more likely than the Russians escalating the brutality further and further until they have finally gone too far? Especially considering what seems to be done against Mariupol?


The US did pretty well in the Cold War funneling weapons and money to anyone willing to fight the Russians outside Russia. I expect the West is looking at who will be next on Putin’s list and preparing the groundwork for resistance, both with the government and the population.

Kazakhstan just had an attempt at Revolution, might be a good place to start. The west can out-spend Putin, so it might be best to push everywhere at once. Especially as Putin has the issue of wanting to manage everything himself, he can’t rely on anyone, I wouldn’t think. If he’s smart there’s no one in his close circle who thinks they have what it takes to do Putin’s job, and need him to stay in power themselves.
 
The majority of mainstream Russian media is heavily state influenced, there are of course exceptions but in the main, the print and broadcast journalism isn't very nuanced.

You're right though, some people are naturally more open minded than others, but you have to remember that anti-western resentment is decades, if not centuries old and runs very deeply.
What about the resentment for their own Secret Police and KGB/FSB style thought police? They haven’t had enough of authoritarian propaganda? I’d think they would know better than anyone. Or did most not want the USSR to collapse? I always got the impression the people were fed up, or was it just about money?
 
These aren't necessarily desirable outcomes for a number of Russians though. Significant parts of Russian society, especially in the east, are strongly nationalist, distrustful of the western world and broadly supportive of an isolationist and a strongly anti western government.

Putin is a product of this, not the cause.

Never underestimate his popularity.

So perhaps the best thing for all concerned is for Russia to become another North Korea?

Let them isolate themselves and keep them as separate as possible from the Global Economy.

It would be a shame for intelligent, progressive Russians, but the safety of the World can’t keep being compromised for the madness that Putin / Russia’s policies are increasingly showing.
 


My personal belief is that clearly Putin has no regard for lives, not even those of his own people - beyond their value to strategic calculations - and that his motto is: if I can, I will.

So unfortunately what Kasparov writes (and has for years) makes a lot of sense to me. Of course I also understand the counter argument of the risk of escalation, but how does that approach actually play out? Putin's army keeps killing, but only in the tens or hundreds of thousands and then at some point they just pack it in?

Is that really more likely than the Russians escalating the brutality further and further until they have finally gone too far? Especially considering what seems to be done against Mariupol?


So far Russia keeps drawing red lines in this conflict, that will escalate the conflict with NATO. NATO keeps backing off, backing off and Putin is emboldened to redraw the red line further and further.
NATO needs somebody, who is not afraid to be proactive, and draw their own lines, make their rules that Russia should fear overstepping. Western Ukraine (maybe Lviv region) should be no fly zone to allow civilians a safe passage. Idk what they can impose, but any tampering with nuclear power plants should be met with a strong response instead of expressions of concern.
 
Got off light thankfully…


There’s a possibility that it’s not the end. This one was for the video that she had recorded beforehand, urging people to protest, which is an administrative case (not criminal, I’m not sure if that distinction exists in British jurisdiction).

There’s still a high possibility of them opening a criminal case against her for this new law of defamation of the Russian military & spreading lies about the special operation.
 
I watched North Korean YouTube the other day and 99.99% said Kim was doing a fantastic job.

NK survey of 1000 Pyongyang Residents.

Q1. Are you happy that you are not dead from a war?
Yes or No

Q2. Who makes the key decisions in your life?
Kim or Elvis?


Survey Conclusion: 99.99% are happy with the Dear Leader's job performance.
And apparently there is one Elvis fan in Pyongyang.
 
NK survey of 1000 Pyongyang Residents.

Q1. Are you happy that you are not dead from a war?
Yes or No

Q2. Who makes the key decisions in your life?
Kim or Elvis?


Survey Conclusion: 99.99% are happy with the Dear Leader's job performance.
And apparently there is one Elvis fan in Pyongyang.
Last seen playing with an anti-aircraft gun.
 
So perhaps the best thing for all concerned is for Russia to become another North Korea?

Let them isolate themselves and keep them as separate as possible from the Global Economy.

It would be a shame for intelligent, progressive Russians, but the safety of the World can’t keep being compromised for the madness that Putin / Russia’s policies are increasingly showing.

I didn't say that being isolationist is in their best interest, I said that there are large sections of their society who believe it the most desirable option.
 


My personal belief is that clearly Putin has no regard for lives, not even those of his own people - beyond their value to strategic calculations - and that his motto is: if I can, I will.

So unfortunately what Kasparov writes (and has for years) makes a lot of sense to me. Of course I also understand the counter argument of the risk of escalation, but how does that approach actually play out? Putin's army keeps killing, but only in the tens or hundreds of thousands and then at some point they just pack it in?

Is that really more likely than the Russians escalating the brutality further and further until they have finally gone too far? Especially considering what seems to be done against Mariupol?


In maybe 3 weeks from now, if the war is still continuing, the Russian army in Ukraine will be totally fecked .