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Pakistan? Not sure about that. Their military is dodgy as feck but as long as they don't depose Khan I couldn't see it.

The article I read said that it was assumed that Pakistan would side with Russia due to its close ties with China.
 
This military base attack -- the base is used for "training with NATO instructors" according to the BBC. Does this mean NATO soldiers could be amongst the casualties?
 



A New York Times journalist has been killed near Kyiv, the region’s head of police has confirmed.

Award-winning video journalist Brent Renaud, 51, was shot when Russian forces opened fire on a car near Irpin.

Another journalist with him at the time has been taken to hospital for treatment after the attack.
 
This military base attack -- the base is used for "training with NATO instructors" according to the BBC. Does this mean NATO soldiers could be amongst the casualties?
I'm confident there are no NATO soldiers among the casualties as they've probably been transferred out of Ukraine pre-invasion.
 
The article I read said that it was assumed that Pakistan would side with Russia due to its close ties with China.

I think it's a massive stretch to say how it would play out when the dynamic would have changed so much by then. Don't forget, close ties with China actually breed resentment in many countries, just as they have done in the past with the US and Britain. Militarily it might make sense now because India is the enemy but for example what if Modi decided his bread wasn't buttered with the US any more? Or even just that attacking Pakistan was less important to him than attacking China / he cosied up with China because he's an authoritarian wanker, you might even see a Pakistan-India alliance or just Pakistan realising China is their enemy. I think in a time where international political tectonics are shifting, it's not wise to assume alliances would hold up or that enemies couldn't become strategic allies.
 
I have zero time for Biden, but I’m getting sick and tired of this constant “we must do more” line that gets thrown at him.

What exactly Do people want him and NATO to do? WW3 will likely end with nuclear strikes across the globe. WW3 will affect hundreds of millions of people.

A NATO intervention at this stage is likely to end the world as we know it. Why can’t people grasp this fact?

So if it would end the world then why would they act if Russia ‘accidentally’ bombed Poland.
 
So in the event of WW3, which countries are likely to side with Russia? China, Pakistan and Iran are the ones being mentioned.

In WW2 Germans that were living in Allied countries were placed in POW camps to stop them potentially joining the German Army. In the UK we have a huge community of Asians. Surely we wouldn’t be looking at POW camps etc?

It’s insane to even have to think about these kinds of things.:(

It's not as simple as picking sides. Even in WW2 it was as much about countries pushing their interests at a time of instability. We're in a very different world than WW2.

I think given the cost I'd be surprised if any country rallied to Russians cause immediately or directly.
 
So if it would end the world then why would they act if Russia ‘accidentally’ bombed Poland.

Because Poland are a NATO country and bombing them would be an act of war against the whole of NATO.
 
So in the event of WW3, which countries are likely to side with Russia? China, Pakistan and Iran are the ones being mentioned.

In WW2 Germans that were living in Allied countries were placed in POW camps to stop them potentially joining the German Army. In the UK we have a huge community of Asians. Surely we wouldn’t be looking at POW camps etc?

It’s insane to even have to think about these kinds of things.:(
China might do, but only if it serves their interests in Taiwan to open a war against American forces on two fronts.

Pakistan is an ally of China, not Russia. Either way, they wouldn't join a foreign war. Their concerns are only with India. Indo-Chinese relations mean that China is the 'enemy of my enemy', but not much more.

Iran isn't joining any fight either. They've been crippled by the same sanctions as Russia (though we don't really hear about it these days). As such, they have an economic reliance on China and to a lesser extent Russia. It's a marriage of convenience rather than ideological alignment. Which means Iran don't have the motivation, money or even the military might to do anything against anybody.
 
So if it would end the world then why would they act if Russia ‘accidentally’ bombed Poland.

I don't see why in hell Putin would want to "accidentally" bomb Poland. Why would he want to drag NATO deeper into this conflict when it would mean a swift military defeat if he does bar using nukes and starting a nuclear war ?
 

You know when we were kids and our parents would ask us not to watch too much tv else our brains will rot.

I think the disinformation world and internet has done that to their generation instead. They are so used to believing in any institutionalised media as gospel truth from their upbringing. They just don’t have the same “erm… lemme check that on Google once” mentality.
 
Anything beyond this sentence?

The Guardian:

Delegates from both sides of peace talks say there has been progress

Delegates from both sides of peace talks have sounded positive, ahead of more negotiations in the next few days.
Ukrainian negotiator and presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak said talks had become more constructive.
“We will not concede in principle on any positions. Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively. I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” he said in a video posted online.
Leonid Slutsky, a Russian delegate said there had been significant progress and they hoped to soon arrive at a “joint position”, Reuters reports.
The state-owned RIA news agency said he was comparing the state of talks now with those when they first started, saying there had been “substantial progress”.
This comes a day after the French and German presidents, Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz said Vladimir Putin did not show a willingness to end the war during a call on Saturday.
 
The Guardian:

Delegates from both sides of peace talks say there has been progress

Delegates from both sides of peace talks have sounded positive, ahead of more negotiations in the next few days.
Ukrainian negotiator and presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak said talks had become more constructive.
“We will not concede in principle on any positions. Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively. I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” he said in a video posted online.

Leonid Slutsky, a Russian delegate said there had been significant progress and they hoped to soon arrive at a “joint position”, Reuters reports.
The state-owned RIA news agency said he was comparing the state of talks now with those when they first started, saying there had been “substantial progress”.
This comes a day after the French and German presidents, Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz said Vladimir Putin did not show a willingness to end the war during a call on Saturday.
Don't Ukraine want them to leave all of it's borders though? If they're not changing that position I'm not too sure they'll really be much closer.

Had to google to check that wasn't the football manager Slutsky.
 
Serbia has its fair bit of pro-Russian sentiment but I think there was also a massive gathering in support of Ukraine a week or so ago after 1000 or so idiots made it seem like the whole country loves Putin.

From that clip, it's hard to say how many people there are exactly but I wouldn't be so quick to judge. As the US well knows, there's plenty of idiots in any country and I am not sure you'd see less of them if something like this was organised in the South.

EDIT: Still makes me uneasy but as I've seen recently and throughout human history, people are happy to believe what they want, not necessarily what is the truth/facts.
 
Don't Ukraine want them to leave all of it's borders though? If they're not changing that position I'm not too sure they'll really be much closer.

Had to google to check that wasn't the football manager Slutsky.

Yes I cannot imagine Ukraine offering territorial concessions. But this is all the information I could find so your guess is as good as mine.
 
Serbia has its fair bit of pro-Russian sentiment but I think there was also a massive gathering in support of Ukraine a week or so ago after 1000 or so idiots made it seem like the whole country loves Putin.

From that clip, it's hard to say how many people there are exactly but I wouldn't be so quick to judge. As the US well knows, there's plenty of idiots in any country and I am not sure you'd see less of them if something like this was organised in the South.
I think Putin is above 50% in support from Serbians.
 
The Guardian:

“We will not concede in principle on any positions. Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively. I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” he said in a video posted online.
Leonid Slutsky, a Russian delegate said there had been significant progress and they hoped to soon arrive at a “joint position”, Reuters reports.

Saying that you'll not concede "in principle" make it sounds like you're about to concede something.
 
fecking hell. We have not had military service for more than 15 years and hardly have a military.


There might be 10 15 20 mercenaries from here joining Russia (and that announcement further up the page is the first I have heard of this) but it is frankly tiring to see us always being viewed as "little Russia" when most people here oppose the conflict and want to join the EU
 
fecking hell. We have not had military service for more than 15 years and hardly have a military.


There might be 10 15 20 mercenaries from here joining Russia (and that announcement further up the page is the first I have heard of this) but it is frankly tiring to see us always being viewed as "little Russia" when most people here oppose the conflict and want to join the EU
So I presume you are from Serbia. I personally find it hard to get a good grip on how pro-Russia Serbia is but I definitely think it is exaggerated.

Sounds like that's your view as well.
 
So I presume you are from Serbia. I personally find it hard to get a good grip on how pro-Russia Serbia is but I definitely think it is exaggerated.

Sounds like that's your view as well.

Yes I am and yes, it is exaggerated. There is a section of the population that do support Russia in this, but this is a vast minority.

We are not the Serbia of the 90s anymore but that does not prevent everyone throwing us in in news like this.