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What's Ukraine's current amount of combat troops? If it's true that they have 900,000 reservists (according to Reuters), then how the feck do the Russians think they're capturing Kyiv? Thousands of Russians will die in urban combat.
 
VorZakone said:
What's Ukraine's current amount of combat troops? If it's true that they have 900,000 reservists (according to Reuters), then how the feck do the Russians think they're capturing Kyiv? Thousands of Russians will die in urban combat.
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I think Putin's strategy at this point is to ruin as much of Ukraine as possible before he has to inevitably pull back after realizing he doesn't (and won't ever) have the resources to actually take over and hold Ukraine. If he can kill Zelenskyy and other Ukrainian leaders in the process, then that will be a bonus to him as he may think it would allow him to create a Donbas style frozen conflict throughout all of Ukraine, thereby preventing it from joining NATO or the EU. That's probably his most realistic, best case scenario at this point.
 
Jotun said:
Population is Russian ethnic and mostly pro Russia, at least it was before annexation. Who knows now. According to Ukrainian poster, there was always talk of them joining Russia or independence. But if Russian economy tanks, perhaps they might want to switch back to Ukraine. Otherwise, if Ukraine tries to invade it might become a reverse scenario. Where they get bogged down in hostile territory against local population.
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That's a fair point, they preferred independence to Ukraine. Still, they didn't have a legit referendum to leave so UKR govt can't just let Russia stay, legally.
 
Reuters apparently are still cascading reports from TASS at face value, which is staggering.

 
Raoul said:
I think Putin's strategy at this point is to ruin as much of Ukraine as possible before he has to inevitably pull back after realizing he doesn't (and won't ever) have the resources to actually take over and hold Ukraine. If he can kill Zelenskyy and other Ukrainian leaders in the process, then that will be a bonus to him as he may think it would allow him to create a Donbas style frozen conflict throughout all of Ukraine, thereby preventing it from joining NATO or the EU. That's probably his most realistic, best case scenario at this point.
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Agreed with the frozen conflict point.
 
Revan said:
No. Putin will call that an invasion on Russia, and nuke the Ukrainian forces.
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But he could do that now in Ukraine, Crimea is not legitimately part of Russia. Obviously no one would recommend invading actual Russia. But Putin can say anything that isn't Russia is Russia and threaten nukes. Having lived during the cold war I'm not very impressed with these threats.

However I will admit that's a very unique situation, Russia isn't giving up their naval base in Crimea without a big fight. It might be necessary to give them some of Crimea.

(Edit: why is P.u.t.l.e.r. being changed to Jimmy Saville?)
 
TMDaines said:
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Fecking hell.

After stuff like that, how long do you think it will take before Ukrainian forces retaliate against actual and future Russian prisoners? History is littered with moments of bloody retaliation during wartime, especially when civilians become targeted by the numbers at first.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Fecking hell.

After stuff like that, how long do you think it will take before Ukrainian forces retaliate against actual and future Russian prisoners? History is littered with moments of bloody retaliation during wartime, especially when civilians become targeted by the numbers at first.
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When will Russian leaders in Moscow be a target? It’s madness to think this won’t follow Russia home
 
GlastonSpur said:
That's not the real issue at all. NATO was set up to defend against (not oppose) the Soviet Union - and a defensive alliance it remains. Neither Putin nor anyone else actually believes that NATO would ever invade a nuclear-armed, vast country like Russia. Putin's claim that NATO is a military threat to Russia is just a smokescreen lie.

He is concerned only about the spread into Russia of the example set by the existence of a free and democratic Ukraine. That's why he want to crush Ukraine.
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Been saying this the whole time. If he was actually scared NATO would threaten Russia with military action he wouldn't have invaded Ukraine in the first place. He knows they are toothless unless you actually invade a NATO country itself and up to February even that was up in the air
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Fecking hell.

After stuff like that, how long do you think it will take before Ukrainian forces retaliate against actual and future Russian prisoners? History is littered with moments of bloody retaliation during wartime, especially when civilians become targeted by the numbers at first.
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With the shooting of journalists, shelling of civilians in their homes and on specific escape routes, this sort of thing will not be a surprise to any Ukrainian fighting. They're up against a truly ruthless and barbaric bunch with next to no scruples.

On the prisoner point, there will be plenty of Ukrainian POWs not being filmed by Russia. Also, wartime discipline is a sign of a more advanced and cohesive army. However, it might be that fewer Russians are taken prisoner in the first place.
 
ooeat0meoo said:
But it's good they stay vigilant.
Anonymous has always had an ebb and flow.

To be honest, lots of these individuals wind up working for the military intel agencies. Hopefully not as many go work for Putin as some have through the years.
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Anonymous themselves are not really seen as an APT level actor. Their attacks usually exploit very well known vulnerabilities in widely used software rather than them finding zero-days or unique exploits. They also from my understanding often get tipped off by professional security researchers who don't want to carry out crimes themselves but are not against sharing the information for others to use. They're also not really one core team, pretty much anyone can hack under the anonymous flag.
 


This is why the Russians are attacking journalists and trying to destroy their data.
 
What's a general major in the Russian military? Is that just a general? Because reports are coming out that a 2nd Russian general has been killed.

This is not Valeri Gerasimov by the way.

 
VorZakone said:
What's a general major in the Russian military? Is that just a general? Because reports are coming out that a 2nd Russian general has been killed.

This is not Valeri Gerasimov by the way.

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Would help demoralize the Russians a bit faster than they already are.
 
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