Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Absolutely! Why does he think they want NATO and EU membership and to move away from his influence? Nobody wants to be ruled by thugs who have stolen billions from the people and who are happy to oppress and even kill those who disagree with them. It's not rocket science. Yet he blames the West
I think he realized nukes are not working because to use them and justify this in front of his group there would need to be direct military threat from anyone to Russia and the way NATO countries have played it so far has been largely brilliant. They’ve pushed him into the corner without using a single soldier. At this point nukes are gone and he seems to have realized that in his last two speeches.
Mayor of Mariupol in CNN now basically confirming the Russians used the ceasefire to lure citizens into the open, then attacked them.
He claims Putin's goal is to destroy Ukraine as a nation.
He claims Putin's goal is to destroy Ukraine as a nation.
But how would he be selling the west sanctioning Russia so harshly? I mean, even if Putin retreats immediately, I don't think there's a chance the west will lift the sanctions anytime soon.
He'd lose a lot of credibility in front of his people if he doesn't get Kiev, imo. He'll surely keep trying and eventually succeed, I fear. He knows he crossed too many lines already to simply pull out of this conflict at this stage.
True but in the eyes of the rest of the world if he doesn’t come out of this controlling Ukraine in some way he’s going to look like a right balloon.
Its simply a waiting game now.
One thing you can be sure about.
He will still be there.
And Ukraine is in the shits even when the Russians leave.
Going to take a long time to recover.
Indeed, but they won't have a no fly zone for fear of shooting down Russian planes, yet are happy that NATO weapons are doing just that but in different hands.
I'm confused by the NATO stance if I'm honest!!
China are allies with Putin and Russia, China also has the worlds biggest army and to no surprise Putin is now threatening the rest of the EU.
He already considers NATO countries to be in the war, so what is there to stop them? (And don’t say nukes ffs)
I really can’t see how he succeeds now. Even if he somehow gets the better of Ukraine hasn’t got the ability to hold it. Russia are failing before our eyes
I think Putin will eventually give up on trying to capture Kiev, but settle instead for:
* Capturing Odessa and cutting Ukraine off entirely from any sea access. Then he will "control" the entire southern coastline
* Capturing the entire Donbas and Luhansk regions and declare them "independent" republics.
Then he will withdraw troops from other parts of Ukraine and attempt to sell the gains of land as a victory .
A period of stand-off lasting years along the new "borders" will then follow, with intermittent shelling (etc) of the kind that has been happening for years along the previous eastern "border".
The economic sanctions will remain in place for a long time and the Ukrainian forces will be armed and trained big-time by NATO troops.
* Capturing Odessa and cutting Ukraine off entirely from any sea access. Then he will "control" the entire southern coastline
* Capturing the entire Donbas and Luhansk regions and declare them "independent" republics.
Then he will withdraw troops from other parts of Ukraine and attempt to sell the gains of land as a victory .
A period of stand-off lasting years along the new "borders" will then follow, with intermittent shelling (etc) of the kind that has been happening for years along the previous eastern "border".
The economic sanctions will remain in place for a long time and the Ukrainian forces will be armed and trained big-time by NATO troops.
The NATO stance is to try whatever they can to stop Putin without giving him reason to escalate.
It's not confusing at all. It's the cold war coming back. People have pointed out the stance a million times.
The same man who only yesterday said
"There are no bad intentions towards our neighbours"
Meanwhile bombing them to shreds. Definitely not mad.
This is utterly naive. He says he considers NATO to be 'in the war' but his actions say otherwise.
If he thought NATO was party to the war (even if it's 'special operation'), he'd be attacking NATO member states and we all know how that'd go short of him using nukes.
That’s what I fear and what would still be a complete disaster for Ukraine, even though many would think Ukraine has “won”.
He's also a a highly accomplished liar who is full of bluster. As long as there is no actual fighting between both NATO and Russia, both sides are incentivized to keep it as such.
If someone is stupid enough to start a nuclear war, the financial markets will be the last of your worries.
Its to arm Ukraine with weapons and intelligence but avoid at all costs, a shooting war with Russia, all the while eroding Putin's power from within by bringing down the Russian economy.
You just know that if the entire planet had the shit bombed out of it there would still be some little fecker in an ill fitting suit, with a Young Conservative badge on it, walking around with his side parted Sunday school hairdo, holding a British flag, telling everyone that the economy is still doing reeeeeaaallllyy well.
This invasion is about spheres of influence.
Putin/Russia is not going to just withdraw without NATO recognizing Russia's voice in the region going forward.
Sanctions alone wont cut it.
Yep. For those who lack imagination / a soul, putting things in financial terms is basically the only way they understand until the bomb lands on their head.
How is he going to spin this one? He keeps on telling Russians that they are there to help the people in East Ukraine and that he wants to "denazify" the government.
The only thing Putin will settle for - at the very least - is international recognition of the new republics and a pro-Russian government, but ideally deweaponization of newer NATO countries as well.
This is never going to happen. The opposite will be the case after his war.
Of course it won't happen. But that's what he wants.
A likelier scenario is he pulls out of Ukraine because its not going anywhere and he has to focus on alleviating internal pressure through sanctions relief.
I'd say he's unique and definitely mad.
No. The World has him in a chokehold - it shouldn’t be eased until he’s removed.
He has wreaked havoc and suffering in the West and in Europe with his meddling in our politics and left our cultures divided and now this in Ukraine while simultaneously threatening Nuclear War ffs.
The World shouldn’t let go now until he’s removed.
We’ve waited years for this opportunity.
Truest post in here. Russia are struggling no more or no less than most invasions.
Yup. I was responding to the poster about what Putin wants in order to spin his retreat as a victory.
Man they are utterly fecked
Fair enough I don't disagree with you however I still would love there to be peace sooner rather than later. The longer this conflict continues, everyone loses.
They are definitely struggling more than for example the US did in Iraq. Yes, they took longer to reach Bagdad, but that is simply a much longer distance, and they made sure that they had absolute control over everything, especially total dominance in the air. Russia seems to be incapable to establish anything similar.