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That guarantees a full retaliation from Russia though. It takes longer to shoot Russian ICBMs (and we don't know where many of them are) deep in Russia, then for Russia to throw them. And as you said, there are the Russian subs, who then would retaliate.

So, if Russia nukes Ukraine, I think there are two options: a) NATO does nothing; b) NATO does massive non-nuke air strikes in Russian troops in Ukraine.

If Russia nukes some NATO country, I guess we have 3 options: a) NATO does nothing; b) NATO does tit for tat to de-escalate the situation; c) NATO fully retaliates which means Russia fully counter-retaliates.

If Russia nukes US, then I think we expect a full immediate retaliation, in fact before the ICBM/SLBM hits the US, the US has thrown hundreds of nukes towards Russia with thousands being prepared.

Nobody is firing nukes.
 
It's fecked up. I've learnt to ignore a lot in my life to stay sane but this is a step too far.

My family may be in the way of another nuclear disaster, happening in the same country as Chernobyl. But this time because of a rabid egocentric maniac with an incompetent army.

Meanwhile, Roman is getting praise for donating to charity and being a good owner of Chelski. Just too much.
I'm assuming your family is in Ukraine? Blessings to them if that's the case, hope everything is okay with them. As for the sports stuff, don't bother wasting your energy with that crap mate.
 
They are correct, based on my experience. I am from Moldova and we have a big russian ethnic minority. It's quite widespread that Russian speaking people don't bother to learn Romanian, which is the official language.
Thanks Mihai. Sounds much like most Brits abroad to be honest.

Hoping your country doesn't get dragged into this.
 
An attack on nuclear forces is called a first-strike, and because the message is loud and clear ("I'm taking your nukes away"), it is to be prosecuted with nuclear weapons not conventional ones, to maximize the chances of destroying all of the launchers and bases.

Doing so just leads to Russia firing them back. It's a lose, lose scenario and although we'd be going after military targets, we'd have no assurances that Russias would be. At least by conventional means it puts less emphasis on firing them back as we haven't traded. Perhaps just wishful thinking on my part but if we did launch a single Nuke at Russia then that would be the end of days. No thank you.
 
"Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks but he'll never gain the hearts and souls of the Iranian people." - POTUS 2022 :lol::lol::lol:

 
Any sign of them backing Russia is a bit concerning to our civilisation.

Maybe there’s another angle?

Well It's not really about backing Russia, they don't allow anything with a strong political message especially if it's protests.

Just the usual censorship really from them.
 
That guarantees a full retaliation from Russia though. It takes longer to shoot Russian ICBMs (and we don't know where many of them are) deep in Russia, then for Russia to throw them. And as you said, there are the Russian subs, who then would retaliate.

So, if Russia nukes Ukraine, I think there are two options: a) NATO does nothing; b) NATO does massive non-nuke air strikes in Russian troops in Ukraine.

If Russia nukes some NATO country, I guess we have 3 options: a) NATO does nothing; b) NATO does tit for tat to de-escalate the situation; c) NATO fully retaliates which means Russia fully counter-retaliates.

If Russia nukes US, then I think we expect a full immediate retaliation, in fact before the ICBM/SLBM hits the US, the US has thrown hundreds of nukes towards Russia with thousands being prepared.
You say “Russia” but it’s basically a guy and his inner circle…you don’t seem to imagine a scenario where they target a Putin kill only, say a drone attack on him before they push any nuclear button surely that destroys the planet? Yea taking him out might not impact any Russian nuke strike but you’d have to try and hope before simply going straight to the end game. We must have secret service operatives in Moscow im not suggesting in his inner circle but certainly around perhaps…it’s fanciful but they came close to just this with Hitler.
 
Modern deployed physics packages are thermonuclear fission bombs. They use regular fission cores which are boosted by tritium gas, in a process that I won't describe here. That is very different from a hydrogen (fusion) device which although can reach greater yield is impractical and requires certain conditions which are hard to maintain.

Thermonuclear indicates they are fusion bombs. The fission reaction then causes the fusion reaction of the tritium stage.
 
I was born in USSR, am native Russian speaker, but not Russian by nationality. Let me give you an example. US ambassador in my country gives a speech in local language when he congratulates citizens on some national hoilidays. The Russian ambassador gives a similar speech in Russian. An absolute majority of Russian people never learnt languages of the ex-USSR republics, despite having born and lived there for 2-3 generations.
What country is this? Latvia/Estonia I take?
 
Russians brainwashed… after four years with Trump leading the US and a failed coup, after all the Brexit thing aimed at dividing Europe, after having had Russian funded leaders and parties in all the EU to shift its geoplitics… after all that we are now complaining about Russians apathetically accepting their country becoming North Korea 2.0? A bit precious, maybe. Fortunately for us in the West, Biden’s apparatus is keeping all proportionally in touch, for now. What comes tomorrow, we can’t know yet… No one is expecting Putin just to backdrop with a snarl, that’s where people really knowing and managing warfare sh*t will hopefully come apt.
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The "Soviet man" is characterised by his tendency to follow the authority of the state in its assessment of reality, to adopt an attitude of mistrust and anxiety towards anything foreign and unknown, and is convinced of his own powerlessness and inability to affect the surrounding reality; from here, it is only a step towards lacking any sense of responsibility for that reality. His suppressed aggression, birthed by his chronic dissatisfaction with life, his intense sense of injustice and his inability to achieve self-realisation, and his great envy, all erupt into a fascination with force and violence, as well as a tendency towards "negative identification" – in opposition to "the enemy" or "the foreigner". Such a personality suits a quasi-tribal approach to standards of morality and law (the things "our people" have a right to do are condemned in the "foreigner").

— "Conflict-dependent Russia. The domestic determinants of the Kremlin's anti-western policy", Maria Domańska

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To understand why so many people in Russia seem to be indifferent, or supportive of the war in Ukraine, one must understand the effect of over 100 years of mind programming and propaganda, that resulted in creating "Homo Sovieticus" .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hom...rg7dGZTA0pv4JytwdeD5mXUxPHptt1r6M65uHYUCEWWik
 
We live in hope.
No, it's pretty much certain there will be no nukes. I was concerned about it a few days ago but even since it has become very, very clear there is literally zero chance of nuclear war.
 
Report in German news suggesting that Zelenski has survived another assasination attempt thanks to someone in the russian secret service who is against the war.

Could be propaganda, would be nice if it was true though.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's a cover story, seems a bit too convenient. Maybe cover for methods the US is keen to keep more secret.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if that's a cover story, seems a bit too convenient. Maybe cover for methods the US is keen to keep more secret.
As someone else said, if it were true, you'd not publically say so! Case closed I think.
 
I'd probably expect Zelensky to be well outside of Kyiv already.
 
"Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks but he'll never gain the hearts and souls of the Iranian people." - POTUS 2022 :lol::lol::lol:



Tbf he mumbled thru the Uk..rain....part of the word. Sounded like Iranian instead.
His dentures probably got in the way.
 
Thermonuclear indicates they are fusion bombs. The fission reaction then causes the fusion reaction of the tritium stage.
The point is that the bulk of the released energy comes from the fission. Only 1% comes from the fusion. Which is not the case in an actual fusion bomb.
 
I'm not sure that would be wise. I could see a full scale air attack going for every known missile launching site in Russia. Probably the biggest air attack in history. If it required putting special forces in to disable facilities then so be it. The problem would be the Nuclear Subs.

I think the intention would be to try and limit the amount of sites they could launch more Nukes from. Rather than us simply trading one Nuke with another.

Not something I am an expert in. But the only way I see this working is if you had a number of subs scattered across the north coast of Russia that simultaneously launched from right off the coast, they might just be able to hit the launch sites before the info could work its way through the chain of command to authorise, back to the launchers and for them to get the weapons away.

It doesn't solve the sub problem though, and it doesn't solve the mobile launchers.
 
Let me guess, you’ve read a study that was done by Putin’s sociological institution. That really tells you everything you need to know.
So far every invasion/occupation from Putin has been met with a rise in popularity, I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that he consolidated a bit again, those who have been leaning anyway I guess. If only your country was full of brave people like you this would have never happened in the first place, as Putin would have been long gone by now.
 
I'm assuming your family is in Ukraine? Blessings to them if that's the case, hope everything is okay with them. As for the sports stuff, don't bother wasting your energy with that crap mate.
It's actually relatively further away and nowhere near as bad as it is for the people with families and close ones in Ukraine.

Still, I sympathise with the plight of the Ukrainian people, it really feels heart-wrenching to see them suffer and not do anything about it because the maniac might get even more offended.

It was the nuclear plant threat that brought up stories about Chernobyl before I was born and how it affected people across the whole of Europe.
 
That guarantees a full retaliation from Russia though. It takes longer to shoot Russian ICBMs (and we don't know where many of them are) deep in Russia, then for Russia to throw them. And as you said, there are the Russian subs, who then would retaliate.

So, if Russia nukes Ukraine, I think there are two options: a) NATO does nothing; b) NATO does massive non-nuke air strikes in Russian troops in Ukraine.

If Russia nukes some NATO country, I guess we have 3 options: a) NATO does nothing; b) NATO does tit for tat to de-escalate the situation; c) NATO fully retaliates which means Russia fully counter-retaliates.

If Russia nukes US, then I think we expect a full immediate retaliation, in fact before the ICBM/SLBM hits the US, the US has thrown hundreds of nukes towards Russia with thousands being prepared.
Russia nuking a NATO member is scary enough , but if they nuke the US, might as well kiss your ass goodbye.
If Russia nukes Ukraine, I can see a bit of A and B , they will done nothing straightaway, take about it for a while them do something along the lines of B
 
CNN just saying that the UN has confirmed that Russia has used cluster bombs.
To quote the great Hamilton, this feels very much like "I'll send a fully armed batallion to remind you of my love" from MadVlad.
 
He has not done any video outside for a few days, I think.
He did a press conference yesterday with journalists yesterday. If those journalists, who were clearly identifiable, were known to no longer be near Kyiv, people would have shouted about it by now.

Many of the MPs in Ukraine even sat yesterday to pass motions.
 
No, it's pretty much certain there will be no nukes. I was concerned about it a few days ago but even since it has become very, very clear there is literally zero chance of nuclear war.
I think it is highly unlikely that it will happen. Putin wants to win this, not have world destroyed.

It massively sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians, but I think that NATO/US has been spot on so far. No reckless decisions that escalate the situation towards uncharted territory, heavily sanctioning the Russian economy, and sending a shitload of weapons to Ukraine.
 
Someone please please find him a retirement community. It was either this guy or trump. Damn.

There needs to be a new law in place 69 is the oldest age at which you can still become president, I mean if you get two terms you will still be an old fart at the end with 77 but the candidate's age in the last election was abysmal 74, 77 and 78? For the love of god, just retire.
 
And what is that? Propaganda works! Everywhere. Just look at how far US Republicans have come during just one term for Trump. In Europe you can see his influence as well, most notably in Brexit. And those are free democracies, where he started out with the mainstream against him and without the tools of a dictatorship available to him.
Now imagine what it must be like in Russia, where he has had a relatively free hand for decades.
Oh I don’t deny that propaganda works in politics very much so, and I know it first hand trust me. However, when they support pure evil like killing people you can no longer hide behind the propaganda excuse and have to bear the responsibility.
 
Modern deployed physics packages are thermonuclear fission bombs. They use regular fission cores which are boosted by tritium gas, in a process that I won't describe here. That is very different from a hydrogen (fusion) device which although can reach greater yield is impractical and requires certain conditions which are hard to maintain.

Both the US B61 and the UK WE177 air launched gravity bombs are Hydrogen Thermonuclear variety.
The WE177 are no longer used by the RAF.
But the B61 is still in use and is also used by Germany on their Tornado nuclear capable bombers.
 
There needs to be a new law in place 69 is the oldest age at which you can still become president, I mean if you get two terms you will still be an old fart at the end with 77 but the candidate's age in the last election was abysmal 74, 77 and 78? For the love of god, just retire.
There should not be such a law. Plenty of incredibly smart people who are much older (the likes of Warren Buffet or Leonard Susskind for example).

People just should not vote for the likes of Biden. At the same time, it is clear that Biden is just a puppet, and so far so good.
 
I think it is highly unlikely that it will happen. Putin wants to win this, not have world destroyed.

It massively sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians, but I think that NATO/US has been spot on so far. No reckless decisions that escalate the situation towards uncharted territory, heavily sanctioning the Russian economy, and sending a shitload of weapons to Ukraine.

I'm honestly a bit surprised the DEFCON level didn't get increased in response. It's kind of like dealing with a child though, if you give them attention when they misbehave you just encourage them to do it more.