Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Does this fix what’s going on in Ukraine?
Can you please take your propaganda elswhere.
It is you who is buying into propaganda.
But I expect that just went over your head.
You said one was worse than the other which to be honest I can’t comprehend and suggests your own biases.
How was Iraq a threat to the US?
Diplomacy ain't working with these lot
Meanwhile the USA is still buying Russian gas. Putin's got Biden by the balls.
Lost? We're conversing on a forum. Winning and losing now, really?
Genuinely interested in your answer btw...if you have one.
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You’re trying to hijack the thread and grading past conflicts to suit your own agenda. I find it quite disrespectful to be honest.
Tankies never learn and never change. I dread to think Labour’s position if Jezza were still leader.
So exactly the same as this one then?
The idea that the Ukrainian leadership are drug addled Nazis, and that the Ukrainian and Russian people are one, are just as made up as the false claims of WMDs in Iraq.
Of course they will: "liberation of Ukraine". "Human sheilds". These lies are told to Americans all the time and they gobble it up. So will the Russians.
Tanks near the nuclear plant in Zaphorizhzhia.
Also problems with electricity in the city.. hope that does not effect the plants.
State of Indian media.
TBF that wouldn’t out of place on Fox News. Could easily imagine the screaming host and inevitable gaffe from someone like Laura Inghram.
i think Putin is an bona-fide evil meglomaniac, and he is directly responsible for the horrors facing people in ukraine right now. Many of the lines he is using, 'precision / surgical strikes', civilian casualties due to human shields, concept of enemy combatants' are from the same playbook used by the west when attacking iraq, afghanistan etc etc.
I don't thin there's much difference, so I'm agreeing with you Ukraine did kill children in the donbas with missile attacks. I'd say Iraq was a little more "random". Both are stupid acts of aggression.
Laura Ingharam is the worst of the worst but you don't have to look far to find such examples on Indian media.
No agenda.
We don’t have global sanctions now - it’s basically North Amercia and Europe plus close allies like Australia. India, China and the rest are still trading with Russia. And, in 2003, who exactly was going to sanction the sole superpower, the country that prints the global reserve currency?
That's not what you said. I cannot read your thoughts. You said "nobody cared". That's wrong. Be clearer next time!
Iraq wasn't invaded to be annexed or subjugated. It was (partly) invaded to overthrow a tyrannical government that had initiated war against two of its neighbors and attacked its own citizens with chemical weapons. Many Shia and Kurds (and probably some Sunni as well) are happy that the mass murderer Saddam is gone. The war was still wrong, though, because of the lies, the questionable motives, the crimes committed by US soldiers, the innocent civilians that died, the instability it created that would later contribute to ISIS. But it's still nothing like Ukraine, a rather free and democratic nation, that is invaded to be subjugated by an evil imperialist dictator.
It would have been good to make the US pay a price for their unjust war, but that is unrealistic as the US are the dominant economy in the world and the most important ally for European countries.
Well I'd be surprise if anyone could fix what's going on in Ukraine here.
It's Zelensky that asked him to be in contact with Putin according to official communicates. It has nothing to do with the French population.
These are facts and you can't put fingers in your ears to ignore them
The sun was shining here today. That's a fact, too, and about as relevant to this thread.
You were putting your fingers in your ears the other day when I asked you a few things?
The poster is grading wars from better to worse. If that’s cool with you then okay
if only there were mods who could actually keep this thread to the updates about ukraine invasion.
I said "in contrast nobody cared" at the very first time, its as clear as you can get if you didn't take wording out of context.
Disagree with the tone you are trying to portray on the Iraq war here, its not just a case of "still wrong though", its totally fecked up invasion with huge no. of civilians killed and no one give a proper shite to war crimes committed over there.
But anyway, its not a thread about Iraq war, so let's just move on.
I doubt Americans would swallow such lies about Canada. That’s basically what Russian propaganda is trying to do.
Both the West and Putin have painted themselves into their own corners with only one side willing and able to raise the stakes. Right now, a NATO miscalculation would suit Putin perfectly.
New video from the city the nuclear plant is located in, Energodar.
It wouldn't actually, unless you think he's suicidal.
Yeah, that’s right. And in Russia the term Nazi (or fascist) isn’t even directly connected to the historical event anymore — the idea of the WW2 (or, rather, The Great Patriotic War — starting not from the invasion of Poland but from the invasion of USSR) has been mythologized and transformed into this abstract nation-defining idea. By labeling someone a Nazi you deny him humanity, transforming him into pure and unquestionable evil that stands against everything that you and your ancestors struggled and fought for.
Which is why it’s such a widespread label in Russian propaganda even though it’s often pinned on someone who has no ideological correlation with the movement. So even the Jew/Nazi thing (like Zelenskiy) that sounds like oxymoron to any Westerner, doesn’t get questioned here. You can’t argue with a fascist and you can’t second guess yourself, it’s do or die.
The only way back is not paint Putin into a corner where he feels he has no option but to escalate it.
The private negotiations must continue.
Yes - and that means one way or another Biden is going to have to back down from himself, let alone Putin.
This is new info to me. So the term Nazi has a broader use in Russia?
The option to deescalate also exists as a result of sanctions. He will have to do so if he wants to survive.
This is an economic war by Europe and the US, not military. Europe is prepared to raise the stakes by not paying for Russian gas. It is certainly not pain free and they are probably waiting to see whether Putin starts levelling cities but, if that happens, combined with the freeze on the central bank’s foreign currency assets, the Russian economy will collapse and you will most likely see a coup.