Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Russia already shares a border with multiple NATO countries, though. Estonia and Latvia as you mention, but also Lithuania, Poland and Norway. Multiple fronts, that.
I’m no modmin, but I’d be amazed if you got banned because @RedDevilQuebecois doesn’t believe we should know what the Russians are saying. I think you’re safe
Apparently there's more context here but you can't see it in the clip. There's literally some dozens of meters away a firefight going on. Could have been distracted.
this shit is going to get out of control soon
Man the ignore list is going to get longer and longer today, see ya.
I think Putin and his thugs only respect one thing: strength. The weakness of the current Western response will ONLY encourage and embolden him. The biggest mistake we can make is to allow Putin to think that we are not willing to go to war, because he exploits that.
Unfortunately if we continue to show weakness and division, it may lead to him eventually becoming so bold that he decides to test NATOs resolve directly - and then we really would have a problem.
No. Their quotes are propaganda and lies in itself they have no value, you understand that? What it does it may only give them an information stream to deceive those less capable of critical thinking or generally who don’t follow this closely and just read “quotes”. The whole point is to get rid of the fake news and by posting fake news you do the job for them. Their whole propaganda model is built on throwing a lot of different and often contradictory shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Completely defies all reason. Probably pissed up Russia twats acting like wild animals.
No one ever believed that USA and UK would invade Iraq either saying they had WMD. NATO was formed to counter Russia and the USSR. Why else would NATO be there after the USSR was broken up? They expanded it right to The Russian borders. Their prime enemy is Russia.
Not much point invading Kaliningrad though is there, and good luck trying to invade anywhere via the Norwegian far North.
what context? they fecking rolled over people and crushed them in a shitty car
There's a sizable Ukrainian presence there, might get ugly.
So, what exactly would need to happen from here on out in Ukraine for the West to act?
I get that NATO won't actively come in for a non-member state, but does the opposing world just now sit back and watch Putin do whatever the feck he likes in Ukraine. I know everything one sees on social media should be taken with a pinch of salt/can be used as a means in itself, but it does seem like they're doing whatever they want out there.
I get that NATO won't actively come in for a non-member state, but does the opposing world just now sit back and watch Putin do whatever the feck he likes in Ukraine. I know everything one sees on social media should be taken with a pinch of salt/can be used as a means in itself, but it does seem like they're doing whatever they want out there.
I don't know on which page I posted it, it's maybe 5 pages back. Longer clip.
It's incredible that in an age where climate change is such an existential threat that we're still doing things like this in the supposedly 'civilized' world.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that those countries welcomed NATO and why they did that.
What on earth are you talking about. Best you keep me on ignore if you're that sensitive.
Wonder does it make any particular difference if their advance is slower than anticipated? I'm not sure what timeline they need to work to. It's not like there's obvious game-changing help coming if Ukraine hold on for long enough.
Most likely, yes. Ukraine will receive more aid, also military aid, but they have to do the fighting on their own.
There's another video filmed from the other side I can't find now. it shows another vehicle, literally just off screen of this vid that also crashes, a guy gets out hides by the tyre and gets peppered with bullets as this vehicle turns into a civ car in the background.
Still looks delibrate to me though.
When I first watched, it looked like the tank had skidded out of control. But then I remembered its a tank, and they don't skid out of control on tarmac. Just senseless imbeciles.
Exactly. If everyone around you is joining up with the anti-you alliance, there is probably a reason (clue: it’s You)
“NATO Expansion” is because countries have independently decided which side they prefer to be on. It is not NATO going in and demanding obedience.
Why, just why
I'm not saying he's right in what he's doing but that's the way he sees it. Nato expanded influence Eastwards via membership agreements so he wants to expand his influence West via tanks.
Invading through Norway? Now, that would be stupid for sure. But given the very strategic Norwegian coastline, I can imagine we're a priority in a case where war actually breaks loose. For both sides.
Speaking of Kaliningrad - how did Russia manage to keep that exclave?
Not really, I reckon. If no ceasire/diplomatic solution is reached, then Ukraine will fall anyhow. But then what happens? If Ukrainians can organize a proper insurgency, this can take a long while.
Needs must. The choice wouldn't have easily been made. I feel less sympathy for dual nationals who may have taken Ukrainian nationality for their own benefit, then act shocked when they fall under the remit of mobilisation.
This is one reason we hesitated ever so slightly about getting Ukrainian nationality for our son, because we always knew there would be a chance something like this may happen one day. Right now we have no idea if there will still be a Ukraine by the time he reaches adulthood.
Nukes?
I mean Assad got away with chemical weapons so perhaps nukes - though even then I doubt it
Stop spreading Russian propaganda please.
I think people are getting tired of "Putin has a point" bollocks, as he embarks on his murderous rampage.
I think this is dangerously naïve.
There's a reason these countries spend what they do on their nuclear arsenals. The NATO members and the US in particular are well aware of when and why they would be used and that's largely what's dictating their response or lack thereof. Putin will know once NATO gets involved that he is completely outmatched conventionally - He would know that everything he's just staked his personal legacy on is doomed. How anyone could be confident that he'd back down in this scenario given how far he's already gone is beyond me. He's already put himself at huge personal risk with this invasion. This childish notion that bullies will always stand down when you step to them is just ludicrous - They have these nuclear weapons precisely to deter conflict with superpowers and there would be huge internal on pressure on Putin if his gambit has failed for all the world to see. In that scenario you're relying on a 70 year old man with little else to lose to do the graceful thing and walk away or blindly hope that someone launches a successful coup to prevent him escalating. That may happen, it might even be likely but I'm certainly not willing to risk civilisation for it.
The US, UK and NATO are fervently anti-Russia. They want nothing more than this hostile power taken out but they still don't budge on this for a reason. They know nuclear war isn't the sci-fantasy some seem to think - They know themselves how close things have come in the past even without the sort of existential threat that would be facing Putin. There's been pro's and cons to the existence of nuclear weapons but I think the cons far outweigh them and that people have become almost desensitised to the danger they present. They make limited warfare an inevitability - You have the contradictory attitude to want to defeat and enemy but not too badly that they'll lash out. It's far too dangerous a game to play, especially with someone who's just put himself in an extremely fragile position.
Then they've got no chance with the current forces they're being faced with.
They'd be better off standing-down and ensuring enough of the anti-Putin sentiment is left alive. I'm being genuinely serious.
Fight whatever government is instated in Ukraine at the polls, not with makeshift weapons against a highly trained killing force.