Yeah, always thought this is what EU/NATO are counting on being the long term resolution to this conflict.
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Yeah, always thought this is what EU/NATO are counting on being the long term resolution to this conflict.
No one wants WW3. Nuclear powers have come into direct conflict before. I don't know where people get this idea anything done by the West is going to result in WW3. It's what Putin wants you to think. Even psychopaths have the instinct for self-preservation. Putin is doing this knowing that the West will allow it, he learnt from 2014 he could break whatever international law he wanted with minor impediment. He is pushing the boundary bit by bit to see when anyone grows a spine to put him back in his place. You think this will stop with Ukraine?
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Every big nation will exert influence and nothing is for free, including US protection.
I would still take the US over Russia, China or India any day of the week.
What you have shown with this post is that you are either naive, clueless or really have no idea what it is to be in Russia's sphere of influence.
The reason the US has managed to move eastward is because their philosophy, for all its faults, offers a better way of life for ordinary people. If this wasn't the case, why are all the rich Russian oligarchs and their extended families living in the West if it's so bad?
Equating NATO to Russia without presenting the monumental difference in blame demonstrates no understanding of the situation.
You know what would be great?
If informed posters didn't belittle uninformed posters for their lack of understanding.
If informed posters didn't belittle uninformed posters for their lack of understanding.
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It's somewhat laughable, sadly.
The harsh reality is that we're too comfortable to impose sanctions that will really hurt Putin, his inner circle and Russia, because those sanction will in turn hurt us. Unless Putins inner circle turns on him, he's safe. This will essentially continue until Putin is old enough to safely be removed by someone else.
It's somewhat laughable, sadly.
The harsh reality is that we're too comfortable to impose sanctions that will really hurt Putin, his inner circle and Russia, because those sanction will in turn hurt us. Unless Putins inner circle turns on him, he's safe. This will essentially continue until Putin is old enough to safely be removed by someone else.
Seen a few posts like this today.
Its fairly normal, there's already brits/americans/scananavians/etc already embedded with the Ukrainian army.
I'd wager on all three.
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I reacted to you saying it's a political and economic union. Maybe there's some misunderstanding in terms of terminology here, but considering we have defense mechanism, saying it's only a political and economic union seemed wrong to me, as we do have defensive military solidarity clauses in place. I know we unfortunately don't have a european army - which I absolutely would be in favor for - but the EU has defense mechanisms. So, maybe this is me misunderstanding you and sorry if that's the case here.
Air raid sirens over Kyiv again.
Says the man with no real stake in all this, other than the unpleasant distraction of some war somewhere destabilising a relatively comfortable life.
I don’t think some quite understand that is essentially an old imperial power looking to assert its dominance over a former colony. Some are trying to paint as a war over being ruled by the Brexit Conservatives or Liberal Democrats.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2...ost-energy-alliance-with-30-year-gas-contract
Once this happened, Russia pretty much sanctioned proof itself in my opinion. And look at the date: 4th Feb 2022. Just a few weeks before the invasion.
While I cannot fault the military and intelligence capability of the West, clearly our diplomatic foresight needs a bit of work. Current Western leaders are shite.
Once this happened, Russia pretty much sanctioned proof itself in my opinion. And look at the date: 4th Feb 2022. Just a few weeks before the invasion.
While I cannot fault the military and intelligence capability of the West, clearly our diplomatic foresight needs a bit of work. Current Western leaders are shite.
This is the part people keep missing with China as if they’re some great ally of Russia who will give them money and charity. They will ravage them economically - Russia is going to become cripplingly dependent on them over the next decades.
China is the only country that would dare buy from Putin if he is isolated by the west. No other country will want do business with Russia if the US and the West make it illegal and start imposing sanctions on anyone breaking these rules.
We did much worse to Iraq during the 90s. It ended up literally starving the Iraqi population to sickness and death. The UN kept warning of the impact on civilians but the US and the UK couldn't care..
I know Russa is not Iraq and the world will not go to the crazy collective punishment that was imposed on the Iraqi population. But harming the Russian economy to some serious extent is definitely doable. Then again, as you say we can't pull gas out of thin air. The only viable alternative would have been Qatari gas routed through Syria (another stronghold of Putin's).
I understand that 100% but if the war spills in to major cities there is nothing to be won for the Ukranians. Ukranian Civilians and children will die in mass while Putin sits safe in Moscow, not worth any flag and I hope Zelensky can see that.
Interesting how being invaded by a colonial power unites so many disparate groups. We saw it in the Boer wars too.
It's worth absolutely everything.
They will, but Putin doesn't care for now. That is a worry for the future. Right now is all that matters for Putin.
This.
Oh, and I'm going to do something I would never do. Repeat a post I made:
"You know what would be great? If informed posters didn't belittle uninformed posters for their lack of understanding."
All I needed was an explanation. You really don't need to do anything more than that. Imagine you were teaching math to a learner and said, "You are clueless and don't know what you're talking about."
I'm not going to die for my beliefs. This is a forum where I'm always open to be convinced or educated. Why the hell else would I be here?
Yep. Issue is he’s old and supposedly also ill. What does he care, he just wants war.
China is ready to fill that void.
From how deep Putin has gone so far, it looks like he's done the figures and he has the advantage at the moment.
It's so obvious. China already have their land resources secured in Africa and now if the Russians end up running back to them, they'll have their energy secured.
Good luck trying to oppose them after this.
The most worrying thing for me is if Donald gets back in and gets the US out of NATO or effectively does so by providing these huge new super powers with quid-pro-quo for national or more likely personal gain.
How bad is the Russian navy in identifying targets, or is their strategy just shoot at everyhting ?
We saw this too. Only from the other side.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t be stifling the Russian economy but due to certain deals Europe has made with them in the past it’s goong to be very hard to do quickly and effectively. Most of Europe’s counties are finically in a very poor state with inflation rising. Again Putin has been planing this for a long time, he has his house in order and relies very little on imports, certainly nothing essential, mostly hi tech items, again most of which come from China.
Yes there is. The man has the balls to send people with Novichok to the UK to settle an old score, and in the process killing an innocent UK civilian on UK soil. What do you think Ukrainians' who he or his command takes a displeasing to are going to be subject to under his rule?
I’d say he’s giving NATO a poke.
Let's be honest though, If the Russian economy is so dependent on China that they cannot say no to supplying them endless cheap energy, the Chinese will love it. AND, having that Russian military power at your beck and call is really not a bad thing for them either.
Win win win win win for the Chinese.
Win win win win win for the Chinese.
Exactly. How can people fail to comprehend it is beyond me. He is not stupid to go to a nuclear war where he definitely knows he would be on the losing side. It's just a very lazy excuse why we shouldn't do anything. Help Ukraine? Nah, he got nukes. Better just watch how Ukraine gets destroyed and do nothing. Just let Putin have anything he wishes because you know, they have nukes. Unfortunately basically only Eastern European countries and their people get this. We have always been on our own living in these parts, fighting wars so that people in the west can live comfortably and well.
I have fought in a war, where the right of my country to excist was at stake. I have lost my home, family and friends to grenades and bullets. I can't speak for everyone but It's not absolutely everything like you claim. There is a price for everything.
Oh, I'm not belittling you or at least wasn't trying to.
But when you see stuff like what's happening now, unity is crucial. So my post is more about conveying the sense of feeling.
I also need to point out that a lot of what I said is pure logic and you don't to have lived there to make the same points.
It's mostly about hypocrisy and propaganda from the Russian side whose elite enjoys the benefits of capitalism but then uses its faults to ratchet conflict and control their miserable population.
Slightly concerned that those with no experience of weapons will do more harm than good.
If it was as easy as throwing weapons at people and telling them to crack on, we wouldn't bother with armies.
Damn. Gonna be rough, this.