This is really sad. I would rather they surrender. How does he expect someone with no experience to fight now? That is almost assured death, and it would only halt their progress more than anything.
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Yea, I'll do it. Doesn't mean it's not shit and that moderation here hasn't been absolutely pathetic.
If Harms had been asking me on a personal level, I'd have done it happily for him. As a rule it's pathetic but I'll do it as it's not worth the fight.
100% that. I’m disgusted by my government. The willingness to let the Ukrainian people suffer in order to prevent even the slightest inconveniences for the German public is shameful. We’re failing these people and we’re failing a country for which we as Germans have gigantic historical responsibility.
I guess it's learning by doing at this point. Not even kidding. But what else is there, but to live?
Those Chechens are going to be a problem if they're unleashed on the civilian population. Could get really ugly if they can't stay somewhat professional.
Credit to Zelensky, he did more in one day than NATO & UN throughout their whole pathetic existance.
Time for Nato to schedule a third Zoom call
The only reason he attacked Ukraine is to start the rebuild of the former state. Today he told us the attack was due to NeoNazism, military rule and genocide within the country.
They're the most spineless bunch of shithead politicians we ever had to endure since WWII
I agree with you, people need to see what the harsh realities of this are, because some are acting like it's fun and games. But, on the other hand, some people are really sensitive to that kind of thing.
Sean Penn is such a charlatan, not the first time he's inserted himself into some desperate situation to get publicity for himself.
Nice one, thanks! Is the Chinese system used in parallel to SWIFT? The Chinese economy is obviously much bigger than 0.5% of the world's, so assume that the vast majority of China (including the government?) use SWIFT. Therefore, what's the purpose of CIPS? China's attempt to have a competing system?
My point being, up until now there's been relatively little pressure and will for Russia/China/etc move from SWIFT (understandable, from what you've said and from what I've read in the last 30 mins). But an event like this could see a large impetus from Russia and China to force CIPS to become a major player. E.g. China mandates that all companies in China must use CIPS as the primary method - as they're not banned from SWIFT it means that they'll still be doing business worldwide, but could force those 11k banks that use SWIFT to also adopt CIPS. I've probably missed something fundamental there, but that's how I imagine it works?
Basically, I can kind of see why some countries wouldn't want to boot Russia out of SWIFT as it could have seriously significant long term consequences. Obviously Germany et al. don't want to write off the debt Russian entities owe them, too...
It is a tragic situation to find yourself in. You surrender and live a miserable life. You fight on, you get killed and if lucky enough take an aggressor with you
Read a bit on their history. Russia obliterated all that was normal in Chechnya. They had big uprising, which ended in tears for Chechens and Kadirov is now a supreme leader there. Satellite of Putin ready and capable of horrendous crimes.
Can Ukraine beat Russia? No.
Will someone send in their armies to help Ukraine? No. Obviously not. Who wants WW3?
Should Ukraine give in to Putin's demands or die defending their land against an unstoppable army? I'll let you answer that one yourself. I, for one, know my "Chamberlainian" answer.
Wonder if any ex soldiers, mercenaries etc from other countries are joining the Ukrainians.
It really is. But I don't even think it's about inconvenience to us the people, but to the companies who want to keep doing business with Russia. Hence, the reluctance to cut Russia off from SWIFT.
I'm sensitive. I hate it. It makes me sad. But so it should. We shouldn't be comfortable sitting in our chairs drinking coffee at our PC's putting our hands over our eyes. It SHOULD make us feel shitty. It's still nothing compared to what the people of Ukraine are going through.
Feck. So my whole supposition is flawed?
I'm not a mod in CE, but this is a general policy of the forum that's highlighted by a special warning message below. Spoilering that stuff is absolutely mandatory, not everyone wants/have the will to look at dead bodies.
I think the government is preparing for losing the country and then starting an insurgency so the Russians can't hold it
People should have the choice of whether they want to see it too. There are plenty of other places that people can see the images.
Sad but this should be done. No chance of survival fighting against powerful soldiers as a civilian.
This is basically Russia, and Russians in the uniform of other countries, vs Ukraine
I'm not sure. Probably some, but I'm not sure how many people will be there — since organizing those is a serious crime that leads to real prison sentences, we have to somehow evade direct channels of communications, which makes things way more difficult to set up.
That's why i'm fine with the rule, because I do get some people don't want to see that kind of thing, even though I think they should.
Interesting read.
There comes a point when it is time to admit defeat. It's not worth the amount of lives at stake.
Double win for Putin. Not only he will have Ukraine but also divided EU even more. Germany and Italy will be seen as traitors and mercenaries. EU is absolutely useless if we fail to act on what happens right on our boarders. And no, I am not talking about send in an army. Real sanctions is what the people ask. Not some bullshit nonsense ones that we have now, we look like clowns that Putin is laughing at.
These are not EU forces but forces of the member states. As of today, the EU isn't a military union not even when you consider EUFOR. Someone like Macron is trying to make it a military union with an actual dedicated defense.
He pacified them after the second Russian-Chechen war.
Yes, I suppose it is better to at least have an option than have no option.
Yeah, I agree. There is no upside at all. Horrible decision to make.
Will eventually happen but just looking at what Russia does to their own citizens that protest or oppose the regime.
Already evidence of war crimes, so once they're in control of the country that isn't a country according to Putin, what horrors will they commit to keep the population in check.
While the West can't even sanction Putin.
Difficult choices must be made in war. You perish on your flag while fighting for what you believe, or you surrender it and live in sadness for the rest of your life knowing that you surrendered.
Neither choice is right or wrong, but personally I know what I would choose.
Neither choice is right or wrong, but personally I know what I would choose.
Stay safe.