Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

TheReligion said:
Are the Germans and Italians going to agree to the SWIFT sanctions or not?

This is going to impact everyone but they need to get with the program and stay consistent with the rest of Europe and the US.
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Germans don't want to freeze and the Italians don't want to give up their Gucci bags exports. This the latest I've heard.
 
Schmiznurf said:
We don't drive so haven't seen the gas prices, people posted videos all over facebook about the lines though. Had someone even asking where the bomb shelters are on spotted, just in case.
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Yeah people are terrified. My wife is scared of Russian invasion here and I've been trying to explain to her how this probably can't happen, and definitely won't happen overnight. I guess I do understand some of that fear in times like this, with battles literally 400 km from where I live.
 
sport2793 said:
Calm down mate, it's a logical theory, although I would very much hope and expect it isn't the case.
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Easy to say calm down from the comfort of your arm chair while his friends and family get slaughtered.

Probably best you log out for a little while.
 
klsv said:
Some here trying to sound smart attempting to find grey areas, not knowing shit about Eastern Europe. Absolute clowns the lot of you.

Most of the east was occupied by Russia for half a decade, these were free countries. Through violence and lies they took over the Baltics, shipped us to Siberia for hard labor, forced us to serve in their military, sent us to their wars and to clean up their mistake in Chernobyl. Tried to replace locals with russians, forcing us to speak their langague. Then it began to fall apart and everyone knew it was going to. Yet, Russia sent their tanks in the reverse the process.

Now they've been accusing us of whatever and threating us with whatever, while Russia itself has turned into some extreme nationalist oligarchy. Attacked Georgia, took over Crimea. Is it really a surprise that we wanted to join the EU and NATO? Or that Ukraine does? And then some great western thinkers on RedCafe, in their comfy armchairs, are saying "iTs CoMpLiCaTeD iTs GeOpOLiTiCs".

Do feck off.

What logic is there to say "USA did this, warmongering cnuts, time to support Putin now, because USA and NATO".

You don't sound edgy or smart, you sound stupid.
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I think the majority on here have been level headed with a couple of exceptions (as usual). Where are you from?
 
africanspur said:
Thank you, interesting article.

Certainly the West could have acted in a different way after the dissolution of rthe USSR and perhaps things would be different now. I'm still not sure though that Versailles is a good comparison, that really was incredibly punitive. Would also say that calling Turkey part of the West is a stretch and they would have seen their opportunity to increase their influence on countries which share a common ethnic, religious and linguistic history with Turkey, as opposed to a broad Western move to curb Russian influence. And against Turkey's historic rival as well to boot.
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Perhaps you are right, but I cant think another way to put it myself, rather than call it a Versailles lite. I also didnt include Turkey as West, just said that the US was more than happy to see Turkey's effort to increase to its influence there against Russian sphere. Back then, Turkey was seen as the beacon of democracy in the Middle east, but it is true that it was not considered West. It was considered though as the perfect intermidiate.
 
Bosws87 said:
Do you even contemplate that peoples mums children are being killed its disgusting to say simple as.

Its one thing commentating on something that's in the past but not in a live invasion as people's livelihoods are being destroyed right this second, that's me done in this thread.
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I'm not condoning the invasion. 100% against it.

Stop putting words into people's mouth. I have never been happy about lives lost. Even iraqi, even north korean, yemen, Syrian, i dont cheer over lives lost
 
Smithy89 said:
They've had absolutely no support. Boris, Biden and Co are clowns and cowards.
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Would you want to be the president/prime minister responsible for starting a nuclear war? Putin is unhinged and is 100% capable of following through on his threats.

If Russia were not a nuclear power with a psychotic leader the US and UK would have soldiers on the ground right now, that I’m pretty certain of.
 
Rajma said:
Don’t tell later we (Poland/Baltics) haven’t warned you.
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Dont think this would be the wakeup call either. Far too much greed all around, people will want to quickly forget about this and get on with their lives in their liberal societies.
 
Garethw said:
Would you want to be the president/prime minister responsible for starting a nuclear war? Putin is unhinged and is 100% capable of following through on his threats.

If Russia were not a nuclear power with a psychotic leader the US and UK would have soldiers on the ground right now, that I’m pretty certain of.
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Yeah i think that's the big issue, the fact he's clearly unhinged and has nuclear weapons.
 
Sky1981 said:
I'm not condoning the invasion. 100% against it.

Stop putting words into people's mouth. I have never been happy about lives lost. Even iraqi, even north korean, yemen, Syrian, i dont cheer over lives lost
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I think the issue is your use of the word “commendable”, which basically means “praise-worthy.”
 
TMDaines said:
People are failing to understand that Ukraine had a test run for this in 2013-14 with the Euromaidan protests. People realised then how far they were willing to go to keep Ukraine independent. It's nothing do with propaganda about it being "great to die for your country". That stance with the occupation in Crimea and war in Donbas has only hardened over 8 years.

It's not like people had the same options we did before Brexit where we can just freely move and find work across the EU. Ukrainians know and understand that if they want a prosperous and stable future for themselves and their future generations, they will have to fight for it. The gulf between what Ukraine could be and what it would be as a puppet state under Putin is a cause many are willing to sacrifice for. This isn't some trivial matter or war for dubious purpose.
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It was more a general comment on people in this thread and the wider public as seen from social media, rather than anything specific to Ukrainians.
 
Sounds like Ukraine destroyed Gostomel airfield so Russia can’t use it so that hopefully buys Kiev some time. I guess Kiev will ‘fall’ soon and then then we’ll have months of fighting.
 
I do love how people from their nice safe place behind their screens get to decide who should go and fight against Putin.

Not like the actual people fighting Putin welcomed every and anyone to join them and fight with them.


I'll take a break from this thread now.
 
lapatina_ and the rest of the kyiv independent crew are well worth following on Twitter (and donating to if you can afford it) - It's where a lot of the accounts posted here are getting their info.
 
If anything , this has so far demonstrated how inept the RA would be in a conventional conflict with NATO.
 
Mihai said:
Germans don't want to freeze and the Italians don't want to give up their Gucci bags exports. This the latest I've heard.
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The Americans don't want it either. It will destroy the USD as China now has their own system. The Russians will simply switch to to that.
 
VorZakone said:
Anyone know how much of Ukraine's military is defending Kyiv?
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Likely not much regular forces. They'll have withdrawn a lot to not be outflanked and focus on insurgency type action in small light units.
 
You know what? I want to say big feck you to each and every EU and NATO country leader who was hesitating to offer the latest Ukranian government membership in EU nd NATO. Today is the end of Ukraine as we know it. The country will not have it's own army, there will be no democracy there and the new ruler (will never call whoever f..ck it is going to be "a President") will be Putain's (please read this in French) puppet. As for Putain , I wish each and every curse expressed by each and every victim of his actions upon him. “I hope you die the most painful suffering death, creature.” I hate City, but I am with Zinchenko on this wish.
 
Ukraine showing the courage and fight the Afghans showed against Russia, i hope they keep it up.
 
Sky1981 said:
Yes. Maybe it's not a wise selection of words. But cheering for russia ? Come on
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Well if you’re not cheering for Russia, describing their assault on Kiev as “commendable” comes across as very strange.
 
Foxbatt said:
The Americans don't want it either. It will destroy the USD as China now has their own system. The Russians will simply switch to to that.
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What's stopping the Russian's just switching to it anyway? It's being made to seem like removing Russia from SWIFT would have a worse impact on the West than Russia.

FYI I have feck all clue about SWIFT or what the feck it does (international banking system?).
 
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