Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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I don't think Erdogan is as consolidated in his position as Putin is. Turkey has a history of military coups and almost displaced him in one not too long ago.
When was the last time elite units fought eachother? I mean, those Russian airbornes are considered elite, no?
Stay safe buddy. Thoughts and prayers with you
At this point anyone criticizing Europe for not being able to defend itself is talking about the EU, that's almost all the members. And the criticism would make no sense if it wasn't aimed at the EU because no one in his right mind is thinking about Latvia being able to batter Russia in a 1v1 conflict and the 2.0% mean absolutely nothing in terms of being able to defend yourself unless those resources are mutualized and used efficiently in a way that allows the defense of Europe as a whole.
Mike I was really liking you today but you are being dishonest.
Yeah but you never know. My point is, just because many EU member states are also in the NATO it doesn't mean an EU army is obsolete. There are many different scenarios that could lead to a war in EU without NATO getting their hands dirty
"It is reported that the video was shot near Okhtyrka (Sumy region). The Russian military simply abandoned their equipment and fled into the woods. "
In layman's terms how likely is World War 3?
It's likely all propaganda by both sides anyway, but fair to say this hasn't been to show of strength Putin would have hoped for
Many people advocating against a european super army seem to fear the US could be losing its military hegemony in the western world, right?
Take care x
Yeah true, they did join before the 2% (2006.) But it was agreed by all members including them..
Yeah he is apparently in trouble with Turkey facing an economic crisis.
I'd believe so
Best wishes @harms
What is punishment if you are arrested? Money? Jail?
Btw, damn, you have balls
Extremely unlikely. World War 3 would usually mean nuclear-armed Nato forces in direct confrontation with nuclear Russia, which no one wants for obvious reasons.
The world never learns, you can’t negotiate with despots like Putin.
I also don't get the point of messages like this. " We were also baddies in the past and therefore should close an eye on what Russia is doing in Ukraine?"
Respect.
How do you know? Maybe it is to them.
Yep, the Turkish Lira has been in freefall for years now, and Erdogan's party has been losing key elections in major cities in the last few years. There is always the fear that he'd attempt something recklessly brazen like this to consolidate himself, but unlike Putin I don't think he'd survive and would almost certainly be displaced by the military, likely with the blessing of Turkey's citizens.
Nope, I can assure you I’m really not talking about the EU. Yes, the defence of the continent needs to be a collective endeavour, and it is, through NATO.At this point anyone criticizing Europe for not being able to defend itself is talking about the EU, that's almost all the members. And the criticism would make no sense if it wasn't aimed at the EU because no one in his right mind is thinking about Latvia being able to batter Russia in a 1v1 conflict and the 2.0% mean absolutely nothing in terms of being able to defend yourself unless those resources are mutualized and used efficiently in a way that allows the defense of Europe as a whole.
Mike I was really liking you today but you are being dishonest.
I genuinely believe an EU army would be a terrible idea, in so many ways. I don’t think it will happen though - or at least nothing more than some kind of token small rapid defence force. Too many EU members are (rightly) scared of undermining the NATO alliance.
I also think if an EU army did come into existence, it would be likely to be the thing that ends up destroying the block. If you think the EU can be divisive, self-interested and bureaucratic now, imagine the arguments if it controlled a significant military.
All that said, if the EU at some point became a nation state in the future, then I would of course say it should have a military.
US isn't sending troops, don't think we get WWIII until those two face off and one defeats the other, then the loser *might* use a nuke.
Probably less than 5% chance.
In my opinion we are on a knife edge. I live here in central Europe. I have friends and colleagues in all different counties here. A Turkish ship was destroyed today (they are in NATO) I have friends on the east Polish border who say they can hear the shelling and smell it.
We are in a knife edge. Putin is testing the waters and seeing how far he can push. He won't give a shite about the sanctions. He has been hoarding currency for years. The question is will NATO have the balls to do anything should the conflict get out of hand.
My big concern with an "EU army" would be that I assume all members are going to have to agree in order to do anything. Unless they set out clear rules on the criteria for its use, in advance, it'd end up being the biggest paperweight army in the world.
So you’re saying there’s a chance!!
Within his interest to make everyone think he is crazy enough to go nuclear but he wont. NATO error was stating that wouldnt fight russia over Ukraine, should have been more ambiguous. and leaft doubt but instead gave him the outcome, bit like telling your chess oponwnt what you will do next!
Where does this impression come from? Self-preservation is a concept even psychopaths feel.
Not sure what the conversation is about but from an American perspective, no one is scared about losing military hegemony other than to China in the near future. If anything, the US would want to see stronger militaries and increased spending in the EU. Even Trump of all people was crying for this.
Id be stunned if putin wasn’t “retired” if things get that far. Too many peoples wallets would be effected. Endless proxy and cold wars is where the good money is, and it allows those people to spend it. cnuts.
US should be far ahead in terms of military by now though, shouldn’t they?
So you wouldn't even be in favor of the french proposition which if I remember correctly was an actual army but only made of a handful of the countries initially willing to have an actual army. Because NATO is a non-starter, I don't even understand how you or anyone can mention it when a NATO member has already attacked a European countries without any answer outside of France. I know that people don't like the idea but NATO is absolutely untrustworthy as an organization for Europe, it has it's own agenda.
How much pressure could internal dissent by the Russian people exert in an effort to cease this madness? Anti-Russian (or anti-Putin) sentiment across the world, even in the smallest spheres, could surely help add to the pressure, not just on sanctions but on a bigger level of putting pressure on other governments to do the right thing. As ridiculous as it sounds I think even the smallest gestures of support to the Ukraine could help (expelling the Russians from all European competitions, football players showing support for the Ukraine etc).
Against the Russians? Armchair generals will be along in three, two, one…
Rightfully so! The current EU construct would never be able to control such power. In order for a european super army, a grandeuropean souvereign state is needed, abolishing (mostly) national states. It's an utopia - I know this will not happen in the forseeable future. But that is what I'd hope for to happen. Europe needs to adapt to reality and reality is: the US isn't a reliable partner anymore and the eastern super powers aren't either. Emancipation from the US is the only way forward imo, in order for Europe to become relevant again. We're too dependant. Just one Trump election away from getting fecked over by Putin.
Taiwan confirmed earlier today that 9 Chinese fighter jets entered their air defence zone. Not sure if coincidence.