Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Cut all ties with Russian industry. If enough countries do it their own people will turn on him. That's one thing the whole world has in common. Nobody likes getting poorer.

War isn't the answer here. Ban their products coming over here. Ban their participation in global sporting events. Ban everything. You watch how quickly their own people rise up and get rid of him.
 
Italy, Hungary, Cyrprus, and Germany are some countries opposing Russia's removal from SWIFT
 
Walrus said:
As I said before - if not now, when?
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Never.

The reality is that Ukraine is not worth self-destruction on behalf of the world. Sanctions are the limit.
Walrus said:
Western leaders are still talking about "preparing" and "holding back" further sanctions. Holding them back for what? How much more escalatory can the situation possibly get (short of WW3/nuclear war)?
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They're waiting to see what happens. The situation is unfolding. If Zelensky comes to some kind of agreement with Putin, the situation will have changed. They're being cautious and should be, too. Zelensky is apparently about to speak with Putin.
 
berbatrick said:
MBS has been antagonising Biden multiple times with his oil production. But no serious pushback on Yemen or on him personally.
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Pretty much none of these states are in any moral position to lecture Putin. And with Russia remaining the key to influence on Damascus, they all need to keep a line open for cooperation with Moscow.
 
Shakesey said:
But apparently UKR soldiers died defending that waste. Why?
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It's contained. Now that Russia controls it, no telling what they might do to damage or destroy that containment structure. They can leverage the threat or go scorched earth.
 
Shakesey said:
But apparently UKR soldiers died defending that waste. Why?
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The bassin is currently isolated? If it is you could quickly ruin the water sources in that region quite easily.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Cut all ties with Russian industry. If enough countries do it their own people will turn on him. That's one thing the whole world has in common. Nobody likes getting poorer.

War isn't the answer here. Ban their products coming over here. Ban their participation in global sporting events. Ban everything. You watch how quickly their own people rise up and get rid of him.
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Every nations has its own interests to preserve. So if the money is good, then they will not take such drastic steps.
Saudis have been doing all kinds of shady things for ages and countries sit and criticize them in "strong words" while doing business deals all the time.

So, countries do whatever serves them the best. Especially when they are not obligated or not under threat from that country.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
It's contained. Now that Russia controls it, no telling what they might do to damage or destroy that containment structure. They can leverage the threat or go scorched earth.
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They can do that from the air, or with missiles bit first it's close to them, second that's a nuclear attack in essence.
 
The Firestarter said:
Agree , the point is in legal terms it is sufficient. In practice , we've seen jets downed without consequence so it takes a lot more.
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Yep, we've seen warships being mistakenly sunk and ignored because if it was officially noticed it would call for something no one wants.
 
On a purely selfish note, we might be left with on gas heating or fuel for cars..
 
The Firestarter said:
They can do that from the air, or with missiles bit first it's close to them, second that's a nuclear attack in essence.
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Detonating it has wider consequences and may even end up contaminating Russia if the winds are unfavourable. There are other ways to compromise the dome.
 
berbatrick said:
MBS has been antagonising Biden multiple times with his oil production. But no serious pushback on Yemen or on him personally.
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That's because they're fighting the Iran funded, Iraninan proxy Houthi movement which is considered a threat in America.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
It's contained. Now that Russia controls it, no telling what they might do to damage or destroy that containment structure. They can leverage the threat or go scorched earth.
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That's what I had in mind. i couldn't remember the River Monsters episode at Chernobyl.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
It's contained. Now that Russia controls it, no telling what they might do to damage or destroy that containment structure. They can leverage the threat or go scorched earth.
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JPRouve said:
The bassin is currently isolated? If it is you could quickly ruin the water sources in that region quite easily.
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Ah, OK. Thanks. Still, whatever they do at Chernobyl can't be worse in the short term than tanks and guns. It all seems a little pointless. UKR soldiers dying to defend it. But, I'm not a general.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
It's contained. Now that Russia controls it, no telling what they might do to damage or destroy that containment structure. They can leverage the threat or go scorched earth.
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IMO that is a red line that if crossed intentionally should result in NATO involvement due to the risk to other countries in the area. I don't think they would do so.
 
Shakesey said:
Ah, OK. Thanks. Still, whatever they do at Chernobyl can't be worse in the short term than tanks and guns. It all seems a little pointless. UKR soldiers dying to defend it. But, I'm not a general.
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I think the long term consequences are what they would have the most concern about.
 
2cents said:
Middle Eastern states not exactly lining up to burn their bridges with Moscow:

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It is not like US/UK/Europe will cut off their ties with Saudi and ME over this. They will still allow ME investments and trades.
 
IWat said:
IMO that is a red line that if crossed intentionally should result in NATO involvement due to the risk to other countries in the area. I don't think they would do so.
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Yeah it's arguably nuclear warfare if they damage the dome.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Never.

The reality is that Ukraine is not worth self-destruction on behalf of the world. Sanctions are the limit.

They're waiting to see what happens. The situation is unfolding. If Zelensky comes to some kind of agreement with Putin, the situation will have changed. They're being cautious and should be, too. Zelensky is apparently about to speak with Putin.
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Russian tanks outside of Kyiv, and you call for caution? Maybe the Russians just need a bit more lebensraum?

I question whether you would have the same attitude if it were your city being bombed and country torn apart.

The only agreement that is possible right now will be for Ukraine/Zelensky to submit to Putin and accept his demands. And you would say "the situation has changed, sanctions are no longer appropriate"? Russia's actions have to be punished. If the West is not willing to go to war over it, then there must be absolutely nothing held back in economic sanctions. This is a full scale invasion of a European country - we are already at the absolute top tier of escalation, conflict, and crisis (short of WW3). Nothing should be held back at this point. Nothing.
 
Using a nuclear weapon is stupid for any country who is rational however we must ask ourselves is Russia rational right now.

This isn’t security, it seems like a power trip.
 
Sarni said:
I very much doubt Russia has the military power to invade Europe. Ukraine will be tough enough for them, Poland is basically impossible. Also completely without any purpose other than ‘sending a message’ which I’m not sure is enough of a reason to start a global war for anyone.
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It's really not about military power, but more so about the how willing the West is to draw a line in the sand. Look no further than toothless foreign policy of the West that allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia
 
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