Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I am not doom mongering here, but WWI started because of world leaders acting on similar levels of feckwittery.

This could go any which way from here. The world order of the past 80 years is going up in smoke like a dry straw in a bonfire.
 
At this point the other four in the five eyes network must also accept the possibility that they are sharing intelligence with a nation that is no longer an ally and could be allying with actual enemies.
 
He didn't - he just dared to throw factual information at the bullies who had their feelings hurt bc he dared to disagree with their spinning of events.

And they gave no answer to how they would enforce a ceasefire and what would happen if it was broken. Zelensky had no interest in, and no reason to, be overly diplomatic and sucking up to Trump knowing what the outcome of a Trump negotiated ceasefire would look like. So he just stated the facts, and Trump couldn't handle it.
 
There's no hope for Ukraine in the US. This was a bad press but hopefully it opens eyes in europe.
NATO is dead. The US is pro putin.

Either Europe steps to support Ukraine or Ukraine falls. In the event Russia attacks NATO countries the US will not help. The EU needs to formally begin talks of a EU defence army and a local defence industry. They need committ billions in the next few months for this cause.
I don't know how long Ukraine holds. But it buys the rest of Europe time. Arm up, reinforce defence in the Baltic stats to avoid war. If they spend the next couple years trying to kiss up to Trump instead of drastic action then they're idiots. You can't repeat the mistakes of pre world war II. See the signs, and take action before you have no choice

Yes, US support for Ukraine is over, clear as a day.

The big countries in Europe, should, in my opinion, start sending prime gear to Ukraine, whatever it takes, to make up for lack of production right now.

Time is also of limit to Russia, their economy is cracking, how long it can last is definitely a question.
 
Zelensky didn't even say anything controversial to warrant the shite he got.

Perhaps he should have got on his hands and knees and licked the soles of Trump shoes.

Trump and Vance has shown their true colours. The US is no longer interested in anyone else apart from the US.
The West end NATO can go and get Fxxxed.
 
Yes, US support for Ukraine is over, clear as a day.

The big countries in Europe, should, in my opinion, start sending prime gear to Ukraine, whatever it takes, to make up for lack of production right now.

Time is also of limit to Russia, their economy is cracking, how long it can last is definitely a question.

Unless America starts trading with them again.
 
Feels like it’s going to escalate to new levels. UK and Europe should be going all in on defence spending from this point on.
It will take years before that spending will have any material effect. 11 yeras of war and 3 years after the full scale invasion and now Europe is waking up, we had time to change things, we had the money to change things but now it might be too late.
 
Mineral deal not signed. Sounds very much like Trump will be withdrawing all US support from Ukraine immediately. This is sadly the end for the Ukrainian nation - Russia will sweep across the country.

Europe needs to get its act together quickly - the Baltic states and Poland will be next.
Nah it’s a common sentiment in Poland but there’s almost no chance of Russia attacking us.
 
That was excruciating to watch. I just feel sorry for Zelensky having to put up with that with his country fighting for its territory.
 
The surprise was Trump backtracking his earlier comments and inviting him to the White house.

I‘m not at all surprised the meeting went nowhere, but the maliciousness is really something else.
 
Nah it’s a common sentiment in Poland but there’s almost no chance of Russia attacking us.
From what I gather the complete and utter bloodthirst in Poland for a shot at the Russians would certainly be a tad bit intimidating.
 
I mean, I am not surprised Zelensky did not sign that agreement. Basically USA would have access to profits from Ukrainian land for perpetuity. Turns out, arm twisting NYC tycoons is easier than president of another country.

We shall see where this goes. Europe will have to save Ukraine. A much needed test of European unity.
 
From what I gather the complete and utter bloodthirst in Poland for a shot at the Russians would certainly be a tad bit intimidating.
We hate them yeah, though our far right extremely pro Russian party is now getting close to 20% public support as well.
 
Looks very much like Zelensky was set to fail, but I also think he did a very poor job to avoid it. The equivalent of dying honorably, but in this case it is probably the dying of Ukraine.

He probably knew that chances were minimal to achieve something meaningful, but should have still tried it. Play Trump’s ego, mention that if it will be peace it will be because of Trump, mentioning how a great deal the mineral deal lead by Trump is for both Ukraine and the US, and how the deal will obviously be implemented only if there is a free Ukraine. Probably still not enough, but that was the only card he had.

Instead, he was confrontive which is the worst you can do when it comes to Trump. Maybe his emotions were high, maybe he is tired of playing bullshit after 4 years, maybe his lack of experience, or maybe cause this worked with European leaders (for example Germany). But it was definitely the wrong tactical move and undid all the cock-sucking Starmer and Macron did.

No words can express how a shit of a human being Trump is. But JD still managed to be worse than his boss. JD Vance has to be one of the worst people in the world. It is amazing how in a room that has Trump, JD and Musk, Trump would be the nicest of them three.
 
Something really ironic how in that room they put in a bust of Churchill.

Trump and Vance would have opposed lend-lease. The latter would 100% have told Britain to surrender for their own good.
 
Looks very much like Zelensky was set to fail, but I also think he did a very poor job to avoid it. The equivalent of dying honorably, but in this case it is probably the dying of Ukraine.

He probably knew that chances were minimal to achieve something meaningful, but should have still tried it. Play Trump’s ego, mention that if it will be peace it will be because of Trump, mentioning how a great deal the mineral deal lead by Trump is for both Ukraine and the US, and how the deal will obviously be implemented only if there is a free Ukraine. Probably still not enough, but that was the only card he had.

Instead, he was confrontive which is the worst you can do when it comes to Trump. Maybe his emotions were high, maybe he is tired of playing bullshit after 4 years, maybe his lack of experience, or maybe cause this worked with European leaders (for example Germany). But it was definitely the wrong tactical move and undid all the cock-sucking Starmer and Macron did.

No words can express how a shit of a human being Trump is. But JD still managed to be worse than his boss. JD Vance has to be one of the worst people in the world. It is amazing how in a room that has Trump, JD and Musk, Trump would be the nicest of them three.
Of course that’s going to be your take
 
Something really ironic how in that room they put in a bust of Churchill.

Trump and Vance would have opposed lend-lease. The latter would 100% have told Britain to surrender for their own good.

They would probably also have blamed WW2 on Poland.
 
Zelensky's English wasnt that good.

Macron humiliated trump well. Hes far more witty.
Zelensky was too direct. Probably was not interested in praising Trump. But I have never seen anything like this before. A reporter insulting a visiting president about why he doesn't wear a suit (in war time situation).
 
Zelensky was too direct. Probably was not interested in praising Trump. But I have never seen anything like this before. A reporter insulting a visiting president about why he doesn't wear a suit (in war time situation).

Trump is so much putins puppet. Its incredible.

Us president is puppet of russia. Wow.
 
Enjoyed someone being direct with Trump for once but really not sure what Zelensky's end game is here. It's clear what he wants but he can't will it into existence.
 
I am with Zelensky 100%, he has been courageous all these years. But I cannot understand why he did this today. And after today, I don't see any other solution except for him resigning very soon.

Trump had called him a dictator, a bad comedian, that he started the war. Zelensky should have been prepared to accept everything and just nod and smile politely. Even if they told him he is the new Hitler who started WW3 and invaded Russia while he tricked his lackey Biden for support and was pocketing all that money for himself and his friend Hunter ... ... he should have said nothing, perhaps a joke about the weather or something. No need to fact check these guys, that doesn't work with Trumpists.

I am really sad about all this. What a terrible day for Ukraine.


(And I am sure that Europe will do nothing. No question about it. )
 
Looks very much like Zelensky was set to fail, but I also think he did a very poor job to avoid it. The equivalent of dying honorably, but in this case it is probably the dying of Ukraine.

He probably knew that chances were minimal to achieve something meaningful, but should have still tried it. Play Trump’s ego, mention that if it will be peace it will be because of Trump, mentioning how a great deal the mineral deal lead by Trump is for both Ukraine and the US, and how the deal will obviously be implemented only if there is a free Ukraine. Probably still not enough, but that was the only card he had.

Instead, he was confrontive which is the worst you can do when it comes to Trump. Maybe his emotions were high, maybe he is tired of playing bullshit after 4 years, maybe his lack of experience, or maybe cause this worked with European leaders (for example Germany). But it was definitely the wrong tactical move and undid all the cock-sucking Starmer and Macron did.

No words can express how a shit of a human being Trump is. But JD still managed to be worse than his boss. JD Vance has to be one of the worst people in the world. It is amazing how in a room that has Trump, JD and Musk, Trump would be the nicest of them three.
I am with Zelensky 100%, he has been courageous all these years. But I cannot understand why he did this today. And after today, I don't see any other solution except for him resigning very soon.

Trump had called him a dictator, a bad comedian, that he started the war. Zelensky should have been prepared to accept everything and just nod and smile politely. Even if they told him he is the new Hitler who started WW3 and invaded Russia while he tricked his lackey Biden for support and was pocketing all that money for himself and his friend Hunter ... ... he should have said nothing, perhaps a joke about the weather or something. No need to fact check these guys, that doesn't work with Trumpists.

I am really sad about all this. What a terrible day for Ukraine.


(And I am sure that Europe will do nothing. No question about it. )
Agreed.

What a sad, sad day.
 
This is getting scary now. How far will they go? Arm the Russians? Then we are all really fkd
It will be financial aid first and foremost. Removing sanctions won’t save Russia. Trump has already begun mentioning a potential ‘mineral deal’ with Russia. Starting rumours of crazy shit he’s going to do well in advance of doing it tends to be his norm.
 
Trump had called him a dictator, a bad comedian, that he started the war. Zelensky should have been prepared to accept everything and just nod and smile politely. Even if they told him he is the new Hitler who started WW3 and invaded Russia while he tricked his lackey Biden for support and was pocketing all that money for himself and his friend Hunter ... ... he should have said nothing,
Imagine writing shite like this.
 
I am with Zelensky 100%, he has been courageous all these years. But I cannot understand why he did this today. And after today, I don't see any other solution except for him resigning very soon.

Trump had called him a dictator, a bad comedian, that he started the war. Zelensky should have been prepared to accept everything and just nod and smile politely. Even if they told him he is the new Hitler who started WW3 and invaded Russia while he tricked his lackey Biden for support and was pocketing all that money for himself and his friend Hunter ... ... he should have said nothing, perhaps a joke about the weather or something. No need to fact check these guys, that doesn't work with Trumpists.

I am really sad about all this. What a terrible day for Ukraine.


(And I am sure that Europe will do nothing. No question about it. )
C’mon, Zelenskyy did well to restrain himself, he likely knows at this point the deal is dead. He can’t not call out the bullshit. Them other 3 were always going to start shouting over nothing.