That + Germany starts its own nuclear weapon program alongside Poland + Von De Leyen flies to Shanghai to meet Xi. Putin/Trump understand only power and dimes. Let the Americans understand that if they leave a void behind then someone else will fill it.
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That + Germany starts its own nuclear weapon program alongside Poland + Von De Leyen flies to Shanghai to meet Xi. Putin/Trump understand only power and dimes. Let the Americans understand that if they leave a void behind then someone else will fill it.
Unfortunately for all their neighbours Serbia often acted just like that.
I've lost all my hope in that coward woman. It would obviously make sense that right now Europe tries to play their hand and reach out for new agreements with China, India, Latin America etc, fill the vacuum left by USAid being cancelled. But VdL doesn't care for that at all, her priority is ensuring the interests of the industries that financed her and maintaining the status quo that leaves her with a very healthy salary, nice limousine and being courted by carmakers and so. I was absolutely appalled when she went out lately, with all the shit US serves Europe right now, Vance's speeches and so, and she goes about "US still being the closest ally and partner of Europe". Weak and ridiculous - they spit in her face and rather than confront it she prefers to pretend it just rains.
I've never voted for any EPP party in my life and I still feel ashamed they were in control of the Parliament and the Commission for so long.
So a likely scenario seems to be that Trump and Putin strike a deal without EU's and Ukraine's support, Ukraine obviously rejects it, Trump stops the sanctions on Russia - which helps them a lot, but the most hard-hitting stuff like SWIFT ban is not something Trump can change, so it's quite a gamechanger if the US starts buying Russian oil, but hardly a saving grace for Russia. Then Trump tries to stop the aid going to Ukraine and Europe tries to fill this gap, but what I wonder about is what happens with the American military aid that's already in Ukraine but so far wasn't used to their full capabilities because of US ban - like the long-range rockets. I'd guess Ukrainians are not giving it back, can they even use it without US approval, or Americans can make all the stuff they leave in Ukraine effectively useless?
Ukraine is barely holding on with US support. Without it, it is a lost cause. That's with all sanctions remaining against Russia. I am amazed with the confidence that Europe will feel some sort of AID gap. With what? Reddit posts and YouTube videos? Project Ukraine is coming to an end and it's time to readjust, not double down.
I think you might have gotten it a bit wrong, social media military and projecting strength through TikToks is much more of a Serbian thing, or your friend Kadyrov's, than European. Go watch a few to feel a little bit more like an eternal victim.
Also, what is Project Ukraine?
Keeping them alive by giving them necessary support.
With ExoduS it's always best to let them answer for themselves. It's like a box of chocolates: you never know what you're going to get.
Maybe it's similar to Project Yugoslavia, only difference being Kyiv largely intact and the Ukrainians not covered in infamy for decades and rotting in the Hague for their genocide.
I bet it gets him all giddy in the belly when he thinks about that project is coming to an end.
My disinformation sources tell me that European unity isn't that strong after all. Seems a bit unstable and very shaken by what has transpired in the USA.
Are those the same sources that told you that Kyiv will fall within a week of invasion? Watching too much of Solovyov surely lifts the spirit of the desperate, but can result in a serious brain rot
Did not know who Solovyov is. 99% of information is from Putin owned western media, also known as Putin apologists. They are far from perfect when it comes to accuracy of the information, but the conflict is going in the direction which does not favor Ukraine.
Man's just salivating at the prospect of crimes against humanity occuring.
Wait till he tells us what were Putin's goals exactly.
And nobody here is denying that, even if we don't take our information from Putin apologists. What we do though is ridiculing your slave mentality, low-key cheers for genocide and bootlicking approach towards Russia, the fact it's incomprehensible for your that the Ukrainians wished to lived independently of Kremlin's influence. So difficult to imagine there might be a society who doesn't want to be an eternal victim and servant, so it can't be real - it must be "project Ukraine" created by the evil Western forces
The US is opposing calling Russia the aggressor in a G7 statement on the third anniversary of Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
https://www.ft.com/content/73809e7a-a772-403a-8755-41a329d6a45d
https://www.ft.com/content/73809e7a-a772-403a-8755-41a329d6a45d
it's the end of the G7 I reckon. I don't see how the rest agree with this.
What a bunch of spineless and egotistical opportunists. US society is truly rotten to its core if they accept this from their leadership.
They have never cared en masse about what's happening outside their borders, spare the cases when the propaganda machine starts beating the drums for the next "export of democracy". It's morbidly fascinating how greedy a society can get on a whole. What Trump is saying aloud is what the majority are thinking, and that's a significant reason why he remained so popular.
Yes, this kind of greed is insane. And not only greed but also short-sightedness. They don't get that they'll suffer economically under this as well and that theit previous support of Ukraine didn't have altruistic motives either.
Sure but at least they cared about their influence abroad and correctly assumed strong diplomacy, maintaining alliances and soft power is actually beneficial for the US and Americans. Now they seem to have agreed it’s fine to forfeit any long term benefits just to hope that DoorDash and eggs get cheaper - which is not even going to happen. So they were always egoistic, but they were never so short sighted
100% this
The political class that was elected the old way cared about these things. They were on average smarter than the general society , and gave the task of formulating the blueprints of the longterm geopolicies the country should follow to think tanks made up of some seriously intelligent people (sometimes too smart for their own good). Additionally the "unelected bureaucracy" that Trump so diligently is demolishing right now served as an invariant that maintained the general course regardless of the party currently in office.
All of that changed when social media gave every moron a tribune . Now the average elected representatives are dumber than pigshit. There are other factors of course namely the ever decreasing general education level and inversely increasing ignorance.
You mean the society that fully accepted to have their taxes used for genocide? That society?
I'm not in the mood for whataboutism, mate
Not my point at all. Americans have never cared about their evil actions abroad, I just picked the most recent one. Isn't it naive to expect that now they'll care?
Sure they have, just not always enough of them. Popular support for foreign policy has always been very important for American governments.
He used the term society. I think as a society they really haven't.
I mean, they obviously did care at one point because Biden's Israel politics had a huge backlash and possibly were one of the reasons why Trump was elected to begin with (worked out brillantly as we see). And regardless of how you see both conflicts and the involved parties, there are no excuses for siding with Russia whereas in case of Israel, you can at least somewhat understand why people's sense of justice fails them since Israel is an historic an ally of the US, since you have a historic obligance to protect them from antisemitism, since they have a common enemy in the Hamas/terror in generel, since the conflict is age old and all ethnicies commited terrible atrocities on each other in the area, since Hamas constantly launched missiles on Israel and commited a terror act, etc. I'm not saying that this should keep you from protesting against what is happening there and I personally condemn what Israel and Netanyahu in particular are doing but people have easily accessible reasonings to convince themselves that their more convenient attitude is justified.
But in this particular case, they have no excuses. They know what Russia is, they know that this is an imperialically motivated invasion of a democratic ally, there are simply no easy cognitive offramps for your subconsciousness to disguise your greed as justice to yourself.
Way too nuanced answer. USA bad because they support Israel (I don't even disagree) so we should expect them to always side with the biggest motherfecker there is, even if it's completely against their own interest, and bring Middle East to every discussion we have.
Maybe there's some truth in it. I'm usually a bit sceptical about blaming it all on social media, but it's difficult to argue against the fact that through giving every moron a tribune the society became much more prone to misinformation and openly questioning meritocracy, education, knowledge, tangible achievements. It is quite impressive to think that indeed back in the day the respect for indisputably intelligent and accomplished individuals was higher than it is now, with science becoming 'the enemy of the people'. Then again if you know every a tiny bit of history you should know very well that the progress was never linear, so it was long overdue - social media or not.
Yawn...
What did american society do when they were committing crime after crime in south america, central america, middle east, afghanistan, southeast asia etc? American society in general only gives a feck when it hurts them directly, like vietnam, and even that took a while. The expectation that american society will now do anything other than demand a few strong worded speeches by some democrats about trump's approach to ukraine is not based on any historical analysis.
I see palestine triggers some people, I get it, it's hard to know your supposed good guys are actually evil feckers.
I'll change my sentence then: You mean the society that just elected trump and his bunch of proto fascists? That society?
Better?
If anyone's hope of policy change is on the american society, you might as well start stocking up on booze now.
Why would the US buy Russian oil? Aren't they now the biggest oil producer abs even export oil?
Trump can make any deal he wants. If Europeans and the Ukraine don't agree, it's as useless as if Putin doesn't agree.
For shits and giggles...
On the US being the biggest oil producer, it had been a lot of explanations here that US don't have the refining capacity for its own type of oil extraction and needs to import the oil type that they can refine and export the type that they can't refine
You're fighting with a strawman. Me and many other here clearly say we don't think US are the good guys and we didn't even think that 5-10-15 years ago. No need to school anyone on the crimes they committed all across the world - no one is really denying killing Lumumba was as evil as it gets, so you really don't need to try to get that point across. So yeah, the society was always egoistic and with a complete disregard for the lives of other people (in fact also with a complete disregard for the lives of Americans, too).
Point here is that there is a difference when the evil feckers do stuff that is evil but furthers their agenda, increases their influence or tackles perceived danger (even if that danger never really existed, like Vietnam or Afghanistan), and it's a different story when the evil feckers do stuff that is evil and also completely against their own interest. I have no moral expectations from American society whatsoever and I'm under no illusion they only care about themselves, they always did - way before the MAGA slogan. But I'd would've expected them to be a bit less short-sighted and plain stupid. So while I was not surprised they supported genocide in Gaza I remain rather surprised that the society as a whole decided to abdicate from their position of a global hegemon, turn back on their closest allies, self-destruct their intelligence networks, connections they built for decades, soft power and side with Russia with almost nothing to be gained from it.
When the all-powerful egoistic big guy threatens others with their colt and shoots a couple of innocents to show their strength, I'm not so shocked. When the all-powerful egoistic big guy puts that colt in their own mouth and says 'let's demolish what we worked for the last decades' I am a bit more shocked.
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that's why they import a shitload from Canada and why the tariffs on Canada could be so damaging to American economy.
but it's quite obvious that any deal bypassing Europe and Ukraine would be very much useless, I think Trump is very well aware of that and he'd be happy to blame Ukraine on not agreeing to his proposal.
And this is exactly what I meant at the beginning with being tired of whataboutism. You think you're the only one capable of critical thinking and as such the voice of reason in an ocean of brainwashed minds incapable of self-reflection but in reality, you're part of the problem because you're incapable of nuanced takes. By oversimplifying complicated topics, you're doing the good cause you're pursuing a disservice.
Israel's colonialism is really not complicated and nuanced.
It is what it is. Really simple, genocidal project, akin to holocaust in many ways. Or to "denazification" of Ukraine.
Calling it any other names, putting as many different shades on it as anyone wants, won't hide what it truly is.
It is what it is. Really simple, genocidal project, akin to holocaust in many ways. Or to "denazification" of Ukraine.
Calling it any other names, putting as many different shades on it as anyone wants, won't hide what it truly is.
Another strawman - no one suggests Israel’s genocide is more nuanced than Russia’s genocide.
Read the posts before suggesting people try to “call it other names”. The nuance here is that Israel is a historical ally of the US, so American support for their genocide is a tiny bit less surprising than American support for Russian genocide