Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

This thread is making me angry.

It's the equivalent of someone on the pavement watching someone start beating the shit out of someone else for very little reason, and then suddenly siding with the attacker because they didn't like the person who actually stepped in and helped the guy getting beat.

I don't give a feck about what the West did or did not do in their past, or their historical geopolitics or the crimes they have done in the past.

Ukraine is getting fecked over and all some of you seem to do is harp on about how hypocritical the west is. Who fecking cares? Hypocrisy or not, Ukraine is getting invaded and Ukraine is not part of the Western Bloc.
Propaganda is a powerful drug.

After what we witnessed last week I'm resigned to think there's not a damn thing that can be done about it.
 
Shame, a lot of good accounts are making the move there now, seems to be the alternative of choice.

I just checked again and there are a couple of efforts at Xenforo to test it this week. Once something viable is released we can take a look at it.
 
This thread is making me angry.

It's the equivalent of someone on the pavement watching someone start beating the shit out of someone else for very little reason, and then suddenly siding with the attacker because they didn't like the person who actually stepped in and helped the guy getting beat.

I don't give a feck about what the West did or did not do in their past, or their historical geopolitics or the crimes they have done in the past.

Ukraine is getting fecked over and all some of you seem to do is harp on about how hypocritical the west is. Who fecking cares? Hypocrisy or not, Ukraine is getting invaded and Ukraine is not part of the Western Bloc.

Well, i'm not one of those who takes Russia's side over the west, but i've also come to realize that the bad guys are winning, so if Ukraine and Russia comes to some kind of agreement, that might be the only way forward, sadly.

Though ultimately, its up to Ukraine what they want to do, of course.
 
This thread is making me angry.

It's the equivalent of someone on the pavement watching someone start beating the shit out of someone else for very little reason, and then suddenly siding with the attacker because they didn't like the person who actually stepped in and helped the guy getting beat.

I don't give a feck about what the West did or did not do in their past, or their historical geopolitics or the crimes they have done in the past.

Ukraine is getting fecked over and all some of you seem to do is harp on about how hypocritical the west is. Who fecking cares? Hypocrisy or not, Ukraine is getting invaded and Ukraine is not part of the Western Bloc.
I'm absolutely not siding with Russia because I have an axe to grind with the US.

The moment Russia chose to invade Ukraine, it was undeniably in the wrong. There's no question about that, and Ukraine is indeed being fecked over. If the worst happens now that Trump is in charge, the US will do what it does best when things go south, it will go home. That's not the first time and I honestly fear for Ukraine's future.

My only problem is with the "Hurr-durr, Russia is coming for all of ya".

We don't need this kind of bullshit.
 
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I'm absolutely not siding with Russia just because I have an axe to grind with the US.

The moment Russia chose to invade Ukraine, it was undeniably in the wrong. There's no question about that, and Ukraine is indeed being fecked over. If the worst happens now that Trump is in charge, the US will do what it does best when things go south, it will go home. That's not the first time and I honestly fear for Ukraine's future.

My only problem is with the "Hurr-durr, Russia is coming for all of ya".

We don't need this kind of bullshit.

So Russia, having invaded 2 of its non-Nato neighbours already, interfered in elections around the world, and run by a guy who thinks Russia has a divine right to the ex-Soviet countries, will never invade anyone else again if they win in Ukraine?
 
So Russia, having invaded 2 of its non-Nato neighbours already, interfered in elections around the world, and run by a guy who thinks Russia has a divine right to the ex-Soviet countries, will never invade anyone else again if they win in Ukraine?
It's not about Russia never using its military anymore, they might have ambitions in other regions, like how they intervened in Syria.

But he wouldn't attack NATO countries. Which IMO distracts from something else: Russia doesn't have to invade. They could just try to continue to destabilize the Western countries, sow division, make relations with far right parties behind the scenes and so forth.
 
Moldova and Georgia could also be targets though latter unlikely as long as it had a pro-Russian government.
 
I just checked again and there are a couple of efforts at Xenforo to test it this week. Once something viable is released we can take a look at it.
Awesome, probably not going to have much use on the footy side of things, but for reasonable takes on current events, sure.

It’s just funny what a comments section looks like when replies are from humans, compared to what someone like aoc would get if posted anything at all on x.
https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3lapo7x44ws2k
 
It's not about Russia never using its military anymore, they might have ambitions in other regions, like how they intervened in Syria.

But he wouldn't attack NATO countries. Which IMO distracts from something else: Russia doesn't have to invade. They could just try to continue to destabilize the Western countries, sow division, make relations with far right parties behind the scenes and so forth.

Exactly. They're already at war with NATO countries. They've taken over Hungary for example.
 
This thread is making me angry.

It's the equivalent of someone on the pavement watching someone start beating the shit out of someone else for very little reason, and then suddenly siding with the attacker because they didn't like the person who actually stepped in and helped the guy getting beat.

I don't give a feck about what the West did or did not do in their past, or their historical geopolitics or the crimes they have done in the past.

Ukraine is getting fecked over and all some of you seem to do is harp on about how hypocritical the west is. Who fecking cares? Hypocrisy or not, Ukraine is getting invaded and Ukraine is not part of the Western Bloc.
You said that a whistleblower that was trying to interrupt a genocidal nation's plan to attack a neighbour should be sent to prison for life. It's not like you get to be a moral authority on anything, ever. What's happening to Ukraine and it's people is horrific and deserves to be spoken about openly. You surely can't be surprised that people are calling out Western hypocrisy? It doesn't help anyone from Ukraine but I suspect there's not much that can at this stage.
 
You said that a whistleblower that was trying to interrupt a genocidal nation's plan to attack a neighbour should be sent to prison for life. It's not like you get to be a moral authority on anything, ever. What's happening to Ukraine and it's people is horrific and deserves to be spoken about openly. You surely can't be surprised that people are calling out Western hypocrisy? It doesn't help anyone from Ukraine but I suspect there's not much that can at this stage.
Are you really saying the west collectively cannot help Ukraine?
 
Just offsetting my off-topicness and the miserable narrative of late with some quality footage, including a Leopard doing what it was born for.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/n1Q4ndkXsj

That first clip appears to be a double whammy.
Whatever hit the middle tank caused it to cook off a chambered round into the vehicle in front.

Ukraines daily report of Russian casualties hit record highs 2 days on the trot, with a big jump to 1,950 yesterday. Seeing all the footage and reports coming out of Kursk, it’s I viois why.
 
It's not about Russia never using its military anymore, they might have ambitions in other regions, like how they intervened in Syria.

But he wouldn't attack NATO countries. Which IMO distracts from something else: Russia doesn't have to invade. They could just try to continue to destabilize the Western countries, sow division, make relations with far right parties behind the scenes and so forth.
Exactly and they're already doing it.
 
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European Countries (collectively) know they have to stop Putin taking the Ukraine (with or without the US) or he will just carry his ideals on rebuilding the USSR into the Baltic states and into the heart of Eastern Europe.

A leading British expert claims that Russia's economy is now completely on a war footing, and it could last out until mid 2026 before collapsing.

In the mean time, the current 'stalemate' will drain both sides in term of mounting deaths and casualties and in being able to support and sustain life support systems; maybe this is what Trump thinks will give him the edge in forcing 'a deal'.
 
Exactly. They're already at war with NATO countries. They've taken over Hungary for example.
Excellent point. Once they get a country they're not letting go either. Other European countries will fall if their propaganda machines continue to operate unaffected.
 
I sure hope someone is building munitions factories as fast as possible.
People are already in the process of preparing their application for a permit to apply to the office for lowest high end priority building projects. We should receive an answer in 2-4 months.
 
I sure hope someone is building munitions factories as fast as possible.

Rheinmetall is planning to build at least 4 factories in Ukraine, for ammunition, vehicles and air defense systems - with one already operational:

https://united24media.com/latest-ne...-factories-in-ukraine-whats-known-so-far-3303

This will be a great way to both help Ukrainian economy post-war as well as strengthen their military and defenses. Unless whatever deal that is made will demand demilitarization from Ukraine, or something similar. If not, then Russia may well have fought their way into getting Ukraine up and running with producing NATO standard military gear and strong security guarantees preventing further aggression. All hypothetical at his point ofcorse.
 
Which IMO distracts from something else: Russia doesn't have to invade. They could just try to continue to destabilize the Western countries, sow division, make relations with far right parties behind the scenes and so forth.

This has already been going on for over 20 years, and yet he still invaded Ukraine.

Below are countries where Putin has interfered in europe over the years.

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This has already been going on for over 20 years, and yet he still invaded Ukraine.

Below are countries where Putin has interfered in elections over the years.

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How has russia interfered in portuguese elections?
 
How has russia interfered in portuguese elections?

Apparently just influence in Portugal, by way of something they call the Russkiy Mir Foundation, which apparently promotes Russian values in Portugal.

https://www.investigate-europe.eu/posts/russia-interference-europe-eu-elections-2024

The state-run foundation, criticised by the EU for advancing “pro-Kremlin and anti-Ukrainian propaganda”, has for several years ran study centres at three Portuguese universities, and worked with various NGOs. However, following public pressure, the universities cut ties with the foundation last year.

* Editing my original from elections to just interference.
 
Apparently just influence in Portugal, by way of something they call the Russkiy Mir Foundation, which apparently promotes Russian values in Portugal.

https://www.investigate-europe.eu/posts/russia-interference-europe-eu-elections-2024



* Editing my original from elections to just interference.
Never heard of them but after reading a few portuguese news sites they paid for russian classes and russian literature classes in 3 portuguese universities.

I know russia uses dirty tactics but in this case it seems completely harmless. In any case, this stopped after the invasion of ukraine.
 
Never heard of them but after reading a few portuguese news sites they paid for russian classes and russian literature classes in 3 portuguese universities.

I know russia uses dirty tactics but in this case it seems completely harmless. In any case, this stopped after the invasion of ukraine.

It seems completely harmless unless you know anything about how intelligence services operate. It would of course though be no different to what the Americans or other European countries are doing in that case so it's no doubt a rather minor inclusion in the list.
 
This thread is making me angry.

It's the equivalent of someone on the pavement watching someone start beating the shit out of someone else for very little reason, and then suddenly siding with the attacker because they didn't like the person who actually stepped in and helped the guy getting beat.

I don't give a feck about what the West did or did not do in their past, or their historical geopolitics or the crimes they have done in the past.

Ukraine is getting fecked over and all some of you seem to do is harp on about how hypocritical the west is. Who fecking cares? Hypocrisy or not, Ukraine is getting invaded and Ukraine is not part of the Western Bloc.

Well, lets say the two guys fighting have knives, by getting involved, you risk getting stabbed.

Also just down the street a guy called Palestine is being hacked to bits by a guy called Israel and is screaming for help and you ignore that fight, but are super concerned about helping a guy called Ukraine.

Kind of makes you stop to think why are you so keen to risk getting stabbed in that fight?
 
Well, lets say the two guys fighting have knives, by getting involved, you risk getting stabbed.

Also just down the street a guy called Palestine is being hacked to bits by a guy called Israel and is screaming for help and you ignore that fight, but are super concerned about helping a guy called Ukraine.

Kind of makes you stop to think why are you so keen to risk getting stabbed in that fight?
Yeah, let's just make up whatever suits us.
 
Well, lets say the two guys fighting have knives, by getting involved, you risk getting stabbed.

Also just down the street a guy called Palestine is being hacked to bits by a guy called Israel and is screaming for help and you ignore that fight, but are super concerned about helping a guy called Ukraine.

Kind of makes you stop to think why are you so keen to risk getting stabbed in that fight?
But they're not mutually exclusive, or interdependent on one another.

The problem is that people are actively taking a pro-russian stance on many public social media because "feck the West", which is a hideous POV.
 
But they're not mutually exclusive, or interdependent on one another.

The problem is that people are actively taking a pro-russian stance on many public social media because "feck the West", which is a hideous POV.

Yeah i dont get people being pro Russia in this situation. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
 
Suspect it was close to the beginning of the war. That said, he along with the likes of Rubio and a couple of others are going to talk a little different now that Trump has nominated them. But at least its good to know what they really think about the subject.