"Wildly devastating" you say? And what would you call the situation in Ukraine right now after 3 years of Biden’s “for as long as it takes” policy? Have you taken a look at Ukraine recently? Towns and cities wiped off the map, 10 million Ukrainians have fled the country, millions more internally displaced, Ukraine’s economy and industry functionally destroyed, and the not insignificant matter of hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded Ukrainians. But it’s Trump who’s going to be “wildly destructive”?
If back in April 2022 you could have shown the Ukrainians a picture of what their country would look in December 2024 they would not have made the decisions they made. The problem was that anyone who could see back then exactly what Ukraine
would look like if the war was not stopped as soon as possible, and tried to warn them about it, was condemned for being a Russian bot. For the first 2 and a half years of this war the political-media elites were chanting ‘Ukraine is winning’ (see video at the end of this post) and any dissent to their narrative was denounced as ‘Russian talking points’ that aimed to reduce support for the war. Those who disagreed with NATO’s mantra that ‘weapons are the way to peace’ and instead suggested negotiations were quickly dismissed as puppets of the Kremlin who did not care about Ukrainians. Support for continued fighting in a war that cannot be won has been the only acceptable expression of empathy for Ukraine. Anything else got you the
“havunt u eva hurd of NEVVUL CHAAYMBURLIN????” treatment by the #slavaukraini brigade.
Fast forward 2 and a half years and we see how the narrative is being shifted. What was ‘Russian propaganda’ yesterday is now suddenly the consensus of the collective elites. Ukraine can’t win, negotiations are necessary, Ukraine’s membership in NATO is a fantasy and victory for Ukraine can be defined not as reclaimed territory but as some kind of survival of the state. Christ even The Economist, one of the staunchest supporters of Ukraine, is now peddling the new narrative:
https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/10/29/ukraine-is-now-struggling-to-cling-on-not-to-win
Secondly, it’s good that you “don’t like Biden and his administration one bit” and I only wish you’d mentioned this earlier, that way this thread may have been something other than 1200 pages of “
looooool I just read on Twitter that the russians lost 400,000 soldiers in 1 day trying to storm Avdiivka with a lug wrench and a set of golf clubs”, but I take note of what you’ve written there about
why you don’t like him. You think he didn’t do everything he could to “assure Ukraine’s victory”. Do you see the implication? You’re not questioning the
intention, and it’s not the overall ‘strategy’ you disagree with, it’s the fact that you just think mistakes were made
within it. Ukrainian victory was their goal but they didn’t do enough to make it happen.
If you are correct then think about what this means. It means that the entirety of the American political and military classes did not see what to some of us has been
absolutely f*cking obvious from the beginning. It means that given 3 years in which to strategise and marshal the entire combined military and economic resources of the Western world, THIS strategy of “make Zelenskiy periodically debase himself and his country by having to beg us to drip-feed Ukraine just about enough weapons to fight a war that we keep saying is in our own existential interests” was what they decided upon.
Unlike you, I prefer not to think of these people as irretrievably stupid. The explanation for why they’ve done what they’ve done is different. You dislike Biden because he “didn’t do enough to ensure Ukraine’s victory”. Dislike him instead because Ukraine’s victory has never been the plan. Some of us have been screaming and shouting this since long, long before the start of the invasion. Ukraine has been deliberately strung along and Zelenskiy has started to realise it (he again lashed out on twitter today at Europe for ‘inexplicably’ withholding their air defense systems).
But sure, “f*ck Trump” I guess. I stand by what I wrote. The next few months of this thread are going to be miserably prediсtable as people who never once dared to cast aspersions on Biden’s Ukraine strategy (“KREMLIN BOT!!!”) are now going to be poring over every single tabloid and twitter rumour about Trump’s. A pity they weren’t this concerned with a concrete strategy that ensures Ukraine’s survival during the last 2 and a half years, maybe then they wouldn’t have been complicit in the whole ‘manufacturing consent and demonising dissent’ political/media campaign that’s ultimately led to Ukraine’s functional detruction.
Here’s that video I mentioned. It’s 5 minutes of your time. Every single moron in this video is still in a job working as an “expert” for various branches of the mainstream media. Indeed, some of them such as Ben Hodges have been posted all over this thread as authorities. That's the thing about the punditry class, it doesn't matter how often they're wrong, they still never get fired because their job is not to deliver facts but a narrative.
