That's just spineless in my opinion. If you need to decide which side is right here I don't know under which rock you're living. These soldiers are invading a country and killing civilians. The more of them are captured the better.
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The US have military bases in these countries but not NATO.
Welcome to the new multi-polar world. Starting to look a bit like the old multi-polar world.
We're buying a metric feckton of oil off them tomorrow, Putin won't know what hit him.
Ah, so, by that rationale, it's ok for Russia to have military bases in other countries but not the Warsaw pact countries (had it still exist).
It's potato potato.
If that's even what they actually think. "Putin will be successful as long as he limits himself to occupying Ukraine" is a less palatable position to put forward than "Putin will lose even if we only respond with sanctions".
Nevertheless, you get my point. The only three countries in Balkans that are not in NATO are landlocked, and bordered by NATO members. 1 of them is a Russian ally, the other has an autonomous region which is a Serbian satellite and has veto power over the entire country, and the third is not recognized from 3 NATO members.
This has nothing to do with Balkans.
Bulgaria is wholly in the Balkans
I don't really know what this is about but the tweet was about NATO deployment and you mentioned US permanent bases which have nothing to do with the words of the norwegian man quoted in the tweet. So the rationale is that you are talking about something else.
As for what is ok or not, the answer depends entirely on who you ask. Two different countries will have two different viewpoints and interests to protect, there are no objective answers.
Failing to cheer on people dying is spineless now? It doesn't suprise me some have adopted such an immature stance as it's been prevalent in here for a while.
Russia is obviously in the wrong but feck me it shouldn't need pointing out that it's abhorrent to be giddy over young lads deaths irrespective of their uniform.
"My nephew is a cnut hair away from controlling all of North Jersey......and I am that cnut hair."
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That's not what I said at all. It's spineless to act as if this was just an unfortunate incident that neither side is to blame for.
I mean we are selling arms to one side... is that not involvement?
The difference in NATO deployment and US permanent bases is just - time.
Over time, the deployment bases for *insert words like democracy, freedom, need, temporary* become - permanent.
Such as Okinawa.
Or the british Falklands.
Remember that?
Warsaw pact doesn't exist but CSTO is a thing and is the Russian equivalent to NATO. Yet we're not conflating things and applying the CSTO tag on everything Russia does. It's not the CSTO invading Ukraine. Armenia, Kazakstan, Tajikistan etc. have no part in this. It's Russia.
Why is it so hard for you to differentiate between NATO and the US? Between the acts of an alliance organisation and independent sovereign nations?
I genuinely don't follow your train of thought.
I haven’t said it’s an unfortunate incident that neither side is to blame for. I’m saying the men and women on the ground on either side are not the ones you should be blaming or celebrating when they kill one another.
Well you've misread what the post you replied to then because that's not what he said.
The blame is on Putin and his wider leaders. These lads willing to 'fight' for their country deserve judgement of course but we shouldn't be descending to feeling like each of their deaths is a win. There's been a few posts bordering on that.
Nobody should be cheering people dying.
But given this is a situation where Russia is clearly the aggressor and Ukraine clearly the victim, Russian millitary cost and defeat should be something we want. And that inevitably means Russian soldiers dying. There's no point in pretending that isn't what support for Ukraine resistance entails in this scenario.
Not active involvement no, which is what was being discussed. We gave away stuff to the Ukrainians in fact, does that mean we're actively involved in what's happening there too?
The post talked about "standing up to be counted". You think we stood up to be counted in Yemen?
This is insane. Never thought i'd live to see the day of a full scale war in Europe. Hope Ukraine bogs them in a guerrilla war and Russia are forced to pull out.
Pol Pot?
Sorry I might have misinterpreted you in the heat of things. On an individual basis I agree, however when I see pictures of Russian soldiers now I see them as representives of the very force responsible for this. That they are also individuals who one can possibly feel sorry for is true too.
if we give them some tactical nukes today would that be involvement?
Whatever you say, bud.
Have lived in Czech Republic now for 14 years. A traditional central European country. I work for an American company that has a global footprint. I have many friends scattered all over Europe. I have travelled all over Europe, Russia included.
I am sat here in a daze. I have friends who have today been called up to the army. I have friends in Poland who when they look out of their window, they can see streams of Ukranian people arriving, scared and in tears.
I have friends sat at home not knowing if a bomb will drop on their head.
Please please, we must all stand together and stop him. Nato, US, UK, please dont let him take over another country. He wont stop and will keep going. They are shelling locations 70km from the Poland border. Putin must be stopped at whatever means necessary,
I am sat here in a daze. I have friends who have today been called up to the army. I have friends in Poland who when they look out of their window, they can see streams of Ukranian people arriving, scared and in tears.
I have friends sat at home not knowing if a bomb will drop on their head.
Please please, we must all stand together and stop him. Nato, US, UK, please dont let him take over another country. He wont stop and will keep going. They are shelling locations 70km from the Poland border. Putin must be stopped at whatever means necessary,
Exactly this.
Nato is soft as hell, doesn’t have any power.
Heck , the whole place is named after a mountain range in BG.
We couldn't. It's a pointless hypothetical.
But if we could and did supply nukes to a country at war with the 2nd largest nuclear power, then I assume we would get very actively involved but just not the way you have in mind right now.
Evidenced by Vlad attacking the 1 country not in NATO... Sure.
Because it's not THAT big of a difference!
https://ibb.co/xJKPTK9
This is a picture of US military bases and naval fleets.
One could say it's pretty fecking obvious.
If that's not call surrounding then i don't know what is.
Now, what would they think would happen? Inviting Ukraine to NATO? Arming them?
Lesson for every other country on Earth: if you ever get nukes, never let go of them.
Heavy blast.