You should feel for all of the citizens of many other countries if NATO were to be actively engaged in war. Rather than 1 Ukraine there would be many many more.
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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It baffles me at all these summits and meetings being planned for tomorrow.
It was an exaggerated threat.
It seems the real reason is Putin believes Ukraine is still a part of Russia. That Ukraine was never a sovereign state and it was created by and still belongs to Russia. The guff about Russia protecting it's future may hold a little truth but the main reason is Russia wants Ukraine back under its control
Just like a ground invasion of Ukraine was?
Not as daft as the response though.
It's not the UK being attacked buddy. Or even a country the UK is allied with.
You want the UK involved and sending its kids to war in every armed conflict around the world where we deem it just? How does that work?
The reason why I asked the question is because some people always seem very eager to let other people die, far away from their homes, on some noble cause. Easy to talk about "lions" and pretend heroism or to call others cowards when you know you're not personally involved.
he wants us to believe he's crazy enough to do it. That's why his actions work. And that's why the western world is looking like fools, because everybody knows, we won't do it. We would have needed that threat. The nuclear threat needs to be in balance to work. Now he can walk all over any country bar NATO without fearing any repercussions.
Maybe, to tell the rest of the Balkans not to join EU or NATO, because not doing so in the long run Russia would be encroached by NATO members. Or maybe he just went cuckoo
For a start why aren't we kicking out all the Russian oligarchs and siezing their assets in the UK? These people would be much less likely to support Putin if they had to live in Russia.
Does it matter either way? Exposing them to the world for abuse doesn't seem particularly fair.
Are there Twitter accounts that reaches most of the Russian population?
According to CNN, all Russia media networks are saying their forces are only securing the western regions of Ukraine. Also the state has been shutting down any networks reporting on widespread bombing of all the major cities in Ukraine.
According to CNN, all Russia media networks are saying their forces are only securing the western regions of Ukraine. Also the state has been shutting down any networks reporting on widespread bombing of all the major cities in Ukraine.
I think we should be ejecting all Russian citizens. It's a massive move but the russian people need to start mobilising against putin.
Because most of them donate to the conservative party and have deep pockets, with large money laundering outfits that make the London financial sector tick.
Do you mean in Russia? No. Although they do try to limit any media presence of alternative view of the war and Roskomnadzor (a government wing responsible for control of information) had already issued a warning to journalists that they should only use official Russian sources when reporting and that reporting "fake news" may lead to deletion of materials and fines.
In my opinion, he will just take Ukraine, install a Pro Russian government and establish a few "Russian Federation" permanent bases in Ukraine.
It's enough to give NATO and the EU a bloody nose without actually attacking them.
It's enough to give NATO and the EU a bloody nose without actually attacking them.
Why?
When America felt threatened by the Soviet Union JFK almost started WW3, he used severe force against the Soviets to back down.
Imagine if Mexico was about to join the Russian Federation and their PReisdnet said they wanted to have Nukes, I doubt Biden would just ignore that threat.
'One of the pilots has been taken prisoner'. Ie the co-pilot is dead. Is that really worth celebrating?
Fair? they've just invaded another country. They're lucky they've not got a bullet between their eyes and been given a chance to surrender.
some people really do live on mars
"oh no don't harrass them on the internet" There has also been a strong sense of UK withdrawal over the last few years, Syria was a bit of a giveaway there. It's understandable after the disasters of Iraq and Libya but I guess this is one of those moments where we have to ask ourselves some questions about whether we want to be the kind of country who stands up to be counted.
Some of the stuff posted like videos really shouldnt be here imo.
Didn't Regions Eastern Ukraine vote to leave Ukraine and become a Republic?
Fair? they've just invaded another country. They're lucky they've not got a bullet between their eyes and been given a chance to surrender.
some people really do live on mars
They have been ordered to invade a country. If you think those two lads unilaterally made the decision to invade, you need to have a word with yourself. I guess human life is worthless to you.
Modern Russian propaganda is never afraid to reach for Stalin's favourite tropes.
Won't someone think of the invadersFair? they've just invaded another country. They're lucky they've not got a bullet between their eyes and been given a chance to surrender.
some people really do live on mars
I could definitely be wrong but I don't see why leaders that have an habit to not fulfill previous agreements/promises would automatically do it in a context that may not benefit them or their country. Until proven otherwise I think that the main countries will only act when it's in their interests because when all is said and done they are the ones that will pour unholy amount of money and human resources into that kind of conflict. If we were talking about a smaller army I would actually agree that the answer would be obvious but not in this case.
But again I admit that I could be wrong, for example the US and a handful of EU members could see it as a way to stimulate the weapon industry.
It should. It's reality, why hide it?
I don't get this. They surely represent the Russian military... Why the bother about them? They are invading a country as we type and people want to protect them like they are some children caught up in a crime.
Personally I think it is crucial and how to stop Putin. He’s started an invasion based off lies, he tries to censor a lot but he can’t stop everything and Russia as a nation is being mislead by him in so many ways. Talk of pressure in Moscow has started, oligarchs meeting happening, the TikTok and smartphone age might actually be a good thing if you’re fighting against mass disinformation like the ‘denazification’ of Ukraine.
Everyone makes conscious decision to be part of the invasion. Doesn't matter what pressure you're under. You don't get a pass from me from for killing and attacking others just because you are pressured from your bosses. feck each and every single one of them.
Defending yourself is different. Attacking someone else? feck them. Cowards and murderers and that's how they'll be remembered.
Surely when you stand up and what you stand up for is equally if not more important.
If standing up means to you being involved in every world conflict, thanks I'll pass. If standing up means defending ourselves and our allies, then sure.
We're not involved in Yemen or Myanmar or Tigray. Not every war in the world is or should be our business ffs.
Maybe I care about all the people caught up in this, and not just the side I have arbitrarily decided is right? The human cost is what matters to me, not where lines are drawn on a map and I think the whole thing is tragic, any drop of blood spilled on either side is too much.
I agree, social media has been a great tool for Ukraine to help dispel disinformation. It will also record in the annals of time the truth of this Russian atrocity.
Wrong attitude.